ProTalk Discussion: Impromptu Ideas Discussion- 2/1/05
Log file opened at: 2/1/05 6:05:48 PM
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Improvised ProTalk IN PROGRESS
Amishka: we have to pick a subject
Verla: would you like it to be anything
shelly: let's have a protalk about nothing then
Amishka: anyone have any questions about anything?
cass: like Seinfeld
shelly: how about getting ideas?
shelly: how to turn an idea into a story?
nicole21: i like that one
Amishka: You'll get that question in every school talk you do - Where do you get your ideas
NOTE: LOL = laughing out loud
Amishka: .... I wait for my kids to do something really stupid and then go with it
Amishka: JUST kidding
shelly: ami, that's actually a good answer
shelly: just don't tell your kids
Verla: I almost never get asked where I get my ideas at school visits... because when I talk to kids, part of my talk is to
Verla: "answer the most often asked questions..." and that's one of them. So I tell the kids BEFORE they ask. :-)
cass: what do you say, Kia?
tgseale: are we pro talking it?
Amishka: Not when you write the kind of YA I write Shelly
shelly: lol, true
Amishka: impro talking tanya
shelly: but pbs...
NOTE: pbs = picture books
shelly: are you planning to post this transcript verla?
cass: oh, good question
Verla: we are, tg. but tonight's protalk is an impromptu one... ask anything about anything to do with writing/illustrating. yep, shelly
Verla: so keep it clean, folks! LOL
Amishka: I get my ideas reading news stories on the net or in the paper
tgseale: lol shelly
Amishka: I cut them out and have a folder
Verla: I get most of mine from history (naturally)
tgseale: oh! you really are?
cass: Did AKS come from a clipping?
nicole21: yay history
Verla: some are from "real life"
tgseale: i'd better try to sound intelligent
cass: I gave that up minutes ago, TG
Amishka: I found a great story idea - actually two browsing the internet the other day
Verla: (that could be very, very difficult, but yes, please do try to at least sound intelligent, tg....) Ha ha ha!
cass: Do you ever look at those pix of the week on BBC -
Verla: I've gotten some great ideas from newspaper articles, too
cass: Such powerful images from around the world, they beckon for a story
shelly: good job, tanya, you're doing fine, keep it up :)
Verla: very true, cass
Amishka: no, but sometimes I look through kid modeling sites to find a character
tgseale: yes, the Parade magazine is ripe with ideas
Verla: eavesdropping is another great way to get story ideas
cass: I used to cut clippings of people in mags and grab one to write about
shelly: do you think that the news is more likely to help you find novel ideas, or do you ever see anything that gives you a pb idea?
Verla: both, shelly
cass: (nice effort tg)
tgseale: lol cass...um...urh.....doh...
Amishka: watching animals too
Verla: I like to cut out photos of people in magazines and/or catalogs so I'll remember what my characters look like
Amishka: Never a pb idea from the news, unless it's a historical or something
tgseale: I've gotten pb ideas from the parenting mags before. You know those little "my child said this..." things
cass: You know Shelly in thinking about it, my pb ideas usually start as seeds from music
Amishka: mostly I get those by something I see a kid do - I watch my kids play - I watch them when they come into the store and stuff
Amishka: kids are funny
shelly: really, cass? what kind of music?
shelly: i get pb ideas from my kids, usually
Amishka: some of my novels have started from music
nicole21: hmm sounds like i need kids
tgseale: same here. music been berry berry good to me
cass: Well, I and E 's relationship was inspired from a refrain i a Bette midler song
Verla: I get a lot of ideas from reading other books, too. I see a story (or page or line) in another book and start immediately "expanding" on it... thinking of ways I could change it, warp it, turn it into something else.
shelly: it helps, nicole, but then you won't have much time to actually write your ideas into stories
cass: and Sunrise came from listening to the Okefenokee Swamp
cass: Diego from the Billy elliot sound track
tgseale: yes...playing the what if? game
Amishka: In the Garage came from the song 'Perfect' by Simple Plan
Verla: you can "use" other people's kids, nicole. Hang out at playgrounds, arcades, schools.... But be sure to let any authorities know why you're there so you don't get picked up for stalking kids!
cass: Neat, Ami
cass: Neat Ami
shelly: Mine! Mine! Mine! came from watching a little two-year-old kid in a library program, she thought the stuffed bear was hers and refused to pass it along to the next kid
Amishka: well one of the characters came from that song
Verla: LOL shelly
nicole21: haha ya i have to watch out for that
shelly: she kept saying, "it's mine!"
cass: Nicole, You'll be working with kids this summer, be sure to watch carefully
shelly: and then i thought how funny it is that little kids see something they like and think it's theirs
Amishka: hang out a McD's
cass: I going to hunt for that song on itunes now, Mish
Verla: and take notes! Don't forget to take notes. Ideas and special moments have a way of fading out of memory very quickly if you don't immediately write them down
cass: that's pretty cute, Shelly,
tgseale: exactly, verla. I take notes all the time
tgseale: I have a writing notebook and a smaller one in my car
tgseale: I mean my purse
tgseale: and I take notes constantly
Amishka: with songs though, I can usually just listen to the song again
Verla: In a pinch, I've written on my hands (with ink) but then it's the pits when you can't wash until you get to a piece of paper. LOL
shelly: lol, verla
cass: I've been listening to Barry white while I do my mag writing lately, that's kind of scary if you think about it
Amishka: Burn came from Leave Virginia Alone
tgseale: me too. write it on your arm :) or your leg
dystar: so what's the topic?
Verla: we're improvising tonight, dy. Right now we're talking about getting ideas
shelly: i can't concentrate on writing if there's music playing
shelly: it's too distracting
cass: Why do I know that song , mish who sings it
Amishka: Rod Stewart?
cass: Ahhh, yest
shelly: it's hard to write on kleenex though, so don't bother trying
Verla: okay... once you have an idea, what do you do with it?
shelly: (Specially if it's used) :)
nicole21: so far my poem ideas have just come to me...mostly when i try to fall asleep
dystar: let it sit for a while
cass: This is a secret so nobody laugh
tgseale: nicole. keep paper by the bed, too
cass: after I get my ideas sketched out
Verla: I immediately figure out how it's going to work as a book. Where will the story start, what will happen in it, and where will it end up
shelly: cass, it won't be secret for long
dystar: I have a pen that lights up
Amishka: I think on it - for months, Verla, until I find the perfect mc
NOTE: mc= main character
cass: I usually boogie down the hall to let the ideas cook
tgseale: ooooh, cool dy. I need one of those
Amishka: once I have that MC and the story, then I can write
shelly: cass, what's the secret?
dystar: usually I get the mc first
cass: I just said!!
Verla: we're discussing ideas right now, ratty... what do you do with them after you get them...
shelly: oh, i missed it
tgseale: yeah, i sometimes have to let it simmer for months. i may have a scene worked out but need to gather the rest
Amishka: you really boogie?
cass: (I dance around to loud music and while I put the idea into story)
Verla: BUT... once I have figured out where my story is going ... then I start playing the "What If?" game with it
cass: I get down, Mish
tgseale: shake that thang, girl!
shelly: i think about my stories when i'm doing something mindless, like washing dishes
Verla: What if my MC (main character) did THIS instead of THAT?
shelly: or building block towers
cass: I need to do something physical to move from idea into action
Amishka: cass two million people will know that when Verla puts it on her website g
shelly: or driving
shelly: oops, driving isn't mindless
Amishka: do you do the ducky?
cass: I thought we weren't -ahh, shucks
Verla: What if his whole world was turned inside out and nothing worked like it was supposed to?
shelly: well, it's not supposed to be anyhow
Amishka: I think on my stories while at work
cass: Yes, I get a lot of driving ideas, to, that's less embarassing
tgseale: I need to do that more often, verla
Verla: what if the truth turned out to be fiction and the fiction in the story turned out to be the truth?
ratty: I have a file called story starters I keep ALL my first goes at an idea there - if not... lost
tgseale: and in the shower--Herbal Essence moments
cass: Do any of you change gender of MC turn things around a bit?
Amishka: I love the what if game Verla
tgseale: sometimes, cass.
Verla: the more bizarre you can make your story (bizarre is just a stupid word for "unique") the better your chances of it striking an editor or agent's fancy... because they love being surprised by a story.
shelly: you're not talking about surgery, are you, cass?
Amishka: but it's torture when you start playing what if when you are doing editorial revisions and that 'what if' changes the story a lot
cass: Just with the pen, babe
shelly: okay, i'm overtired tonight, so excuse anything weird i say
Verla: they love something that is new, fresh... something they haven't seen a bazillion times before in different guises
shelly: or silly
shelly: yes, ami, what if is scary once you've already got your story
Verla: true, ami. But if you think your what if's are changing the story too dramatically, you can always email your editor and say, HEY! I got this great idea for the revision... what if this happened? And let the editor approve it or tell you no.
Amishka: it's even scarier when your editor LOVES the 'what if'
^Miriam: really good ideas gang
dystar: I always get my really good what if ideas as soon as my hand lets go of the envelope into the mailbox
NOTE: :) = a sideways happy face
Amishka: Verla, I did that...
tgseale: ah yes, but if you're ami, ALL your possibilities are great and you just can't decide which one
^Miriam: lol dy
cass: It must be so much harder with a MG or YA to make that kind of change
NOTE: MG = midgrade and YA = young adult
Verla: write them down, dy! When they say they love the story, you can let them buy it "as is" and then tell them... I got this idea that might make this story even better... what if... and tell them your new idea
^Miriam: I think a lot of your good ideas are in the envelope dy
cass: Have you done that before, Kia?
Verla: yep, cass. They picked the new idea over the old one
shelly: i tend to hang onto my stories for a long time to make sure i don't get any new ideas before i send them
cass: neat, kia
tgseale: me too.
dystar: a lot comes clear when I'm showering
cass: me too, dystar -showering, driving and dancing
Verla: I get my BEST ideas in the shower!
shelly: and falling asleep
dystar: I wonder why that is?
cass: oh, that too, but those I forget
shelly: or just sitting and staring
Verla: VERY important to keep an ink pen (ball point, not "runny" kind of ink) in the bathroom so you can write on toilet paper when necessary
tgseale: I usually wake up with great ideas and/or passages, but I'm sortof between between being asleep and awake
tgseale: so I can barely read them later in the day
shelly: verla, if you're going to make sure to keep a pen in the bathroom, you can also make sure to keep paper in there too
dystar: I had to put a notebook in the van, too, though I'd prefer a tape recorder
cass: That elephant marching poem that no one wants -I wrote the whole thing in that sleep haze. At the time I thought it was bri-li-ant!
shelly: tg, i can barely read any of the notes i jot down either, day or night
Verla: I try, but somehow the paper always disappears, shelly. But the pen seems to hang around okay.
Verla: warp it, cass. Turn it into something an editor HAS to have
shelly: hmm, my pens are constantly wandering
cass: hmmm, I'll try to warp it -that should be fun
Verla: a word of caution about ideas...
Verla: make sure they are big enough for a whole book... and not so big they can't be fully expanded
tgseale: what do you mean? don't start on an idea until you have a complete story?
Verla: some ideas are better for several books instead of one (not necessarily series or sequels... just too much of an idea for only one book)
tgseale: oh right...gotcha
Verla: I tend to wait until my idea is fully fleshed out... so I know where I'm starting and where I'm going to end up... before I start writing. The middle usually builds as I go
Amishka: I do that too, Verla, although sometimes I have the middle too
Amishka: or a basic idea of it
Verla: I think it's especially important to make sure you have a very strong idea for a Picture Book... because they're too short to waste words
Amishka: but if the mc is strong sometimes the story changes. Sometimes the ending changes
Verla: yes, I usually have some idea of the middle, too, ami... but normally a lot of things change in the middle as I write. (And sometimes the ending changes, too!)
Verla: oh... you just said that, ami. LOL!
shelly: i often have the end first for my pbs
Amishka: if your idea is not strong for a novel it won't get picked up
Verla: same is true of picture books, ami
Amishka: that's what I'm saying
Amishka: you just said pb up there
Amishka: same goes for a novel
Verla: and a lot of times, the rhythm and rhyme can be SO good in a picture book written in verse... but the story is not strong... so the book simply won't sell
tgseale: but I've read a lot of conflicting info on novels. some want plot driven and some want character driven
Amishka: same goes for a novel but you probably won't have a lot of rhyme in a novel
Verla: I recommend that people who write in rhyme always write their story also in prose - to see if they even HAVE a story... or if it's all just fun verses...
dystar: in my mind, you can't have plot without character and vice-versa
tgseale: good idea, verla
cass: May I switch to non-fiction ideas for a sec?
Amishka: it also goes to say that you can have a fantastic story but if your writing isn't top notch your book won't sell either
shelly: i do that, verla, but i do it after the first draft is done
shelly: it's part of my revision process for rhyming stories
Verla: that's because some publishers (and readers) prefer plot driven and some prefer character driven stories, tg... that's not really conflicting information. It's just good information on two different kinds of novels
Pickles: what's the topic?
Verla: it doesn't really matter when you do it, shelly, as long as it's before you send it out.
Amishka: no matter if your novel is plot or character driven both have to be well rounded and thought out
Verla: we're talking about ideas, pickles
cass: We're talking about how to get and use ideas
Verla: and how to expand them and make them good
Pickles: how about how to develop them
Pickles: oh okay that splanes it
Pickles: I don't have an idea problem
Pickles: I have a doing something with them problem
cass: So I'm getting several n/f subs back with nice compliments but are rejected because "already something similar on file"
NOTE: n/f = non fiction
cass: I read the mags constantly, but I'm still making this mistake.
tgseale: me too, cass. i think that's when we have to play the what if game
Verla: have you used the Books in Print in your library, cass?
Verla: I did that when I started writing my first cryptic rhyme stories...
Pickles: but would that help with mag subs?
cass: yes but I'm referring to magazines
Verla: found there were lots of historic picture books out there, but almost all of them were 1500 and more words long!
Verla: Absolutely nothing for younger kids
nicole21: are most n/f ones about people or events? or both
Verla: so I targeted that age and presto! success!
cass: brilliant, Kia
Verla: depends entirely on the subject, nicole
WriterMel: I like cutting clips out of the newspaper of strange happenings for ideas.
Verla: what you need to do is find a "hole" and fill it
Verla: yep, mel.
Deetie: or jump in it!
Verla: also... you can take a well-worn idea and "what if" it, too
cass: Nicole, I think kids like to grab onto a person, so even if you are doing a story about an event, you need a character to follow, even in n/f
cass: hi lyra
nicole21: I've been looking up pbs on little known people and I havent found much on them
Pickles: good idea Mel
tgseale: hi lyra
Pickles: I do that too
cass: hi kimmar
nicole21: so thats good for me!
Verla: (we changed to Ideas, lyra... we're saving the midgrade novel protalk until you are here for the entire time. Grin)
Pickles: there have been a few recent news events I'ld like to incorporate one day
kimmar: hi all
Pickles: did it hit national news about the young couple in Nebraska who froze to death
Verla: Hi newcomers... we're ProTalking on Ideas tonight...
cass: yep, pic
WriterMel: I once had this calendar of a bunch of activies for youth to do, and I clipped those out and filed them awa, too.
Pickles: because they were too high to talk to the rescuers on 911?
cass: not that part, pic
Pickles: have ya'll heard that story
Pickles: oh just heard they froze to death then
Pickles: okay...am thinking of basing something on that
cass: that's a powerful story idea, pic
LindaJoy: freezing to death sounds major
ratty: Yah Linda Joy
Verla: that would be a very powerful story, pick
Pickles: it would be different
Pickles: but the whole thing gripped me
Pickles: they were high and hallucinating and the rescuers couldn't find them
cass: yes, like that stolpas family years ago
Pickles: they were out in some gravel pit and they were telling 911 that there were people in the trees and that they were downtown
cass: (They weren't high, just lost in the snow)
Pickles: and stuff like that
Verla: real life has SO many incredible stories in it
cass: Sure does
Pickles: I don't rememember the stoplas
Verla: Oh... about "What If-ing" a well-worn idea...
cass: I'm botching their name, they got lost in the snow and ..I'll hunt for the story and e-mail it to you
Pickles: thank you
Verla: do you all remember the story of the Three Little Pigs? It's been done over and over and over again... but someone (I forget the author now - bad me!) turned it inside out and told it from the Wolf's point of view... and it sold mega copies and was a HUGE success....
WriterMel: I REMEMBER that, Verla, though I can't remember name or author.
LindaJoy: yup--that was a cute book
cass: (I'm botching that spelling, too, but it's a great book)
dystar: I did too, kim
dystar: the true story of the three little pigs
dystar: I think
nicole21: ya that was it
Verla: yes, dy. That was it!
cass: i have it right here - 6 inches away from me, but I can't reach it...
Verla: that's a perfect example of playing "what if" with an idea
dystar: seuss was a master of what if
LindaJoy: ideas are easy--you just imagine what you would like to happen
Verla: editors (and agents) want to see something "fresh" and "new"... something different from what they see all the time
dystar: but not too weird
LindaJoy: mostly they mean "voice" which tends to be more character story
LindaJoy: I don't really do that myself
Pickles: okay so how do you turn an idea into a story
Verla: I like to imagine what would happen, and then take it one or two steps further, LindaJoy... because whatever you first think of for an ending has probably been done six zillion times before... but your second and third ideas for a story line are probably much more fresh and uniquely "yours."
Pickles: when all you have is say a character, or a title
LindaJoy: You ask yourself how the character would react
Pickles: or one brief scene
Pickles: what if you don't have anything yet for the character to react to
LindaJoy: Then you look at opposite things and make them happen
Pickles: what if all you have is the character and no story whatsoever
Pickles: where do you find the story
Pickles: or all you have is a title and no story
dystar: what does the character want?
Pickles: okay..that's a start
Verla: Linda Joy Singleton is the Queen of Plotting! Her ideas are SO fresh and original... and they SELL. (over 25 books sold to date for her!)
dystar: what is the character willing to do to get it?
Pickles: I can't plot
Pickles: I'm just the idea woman
Amishka: pickles you let the idea sit and while asking what if
Pickles: I can think up a whole long list of ideas in no time flat
Pickles: yeah, and it sits for 35 years
Verla: I have a hard time with plots, too, pickles. I've learned SO much by hanging around and listening to Linda Joy...
dystar: not that long
LindaJoy: my ideas aren't really original, but I have fun with them
Pickles: truly that long dy
Pickles: I have on that I've had that long, no lie
Pickles: I'm working on it now
Pickles: truly been trying to make a story out of it for 35 years
Pickles: I have another one that's been around about fifteen
tgseale: it's been baking, pic
Pickles: it's well done tanya
Verla: Dori Chacona's picture book she sold a few years ago was an idea she'd had in her drawer for over 20 years, pickles
Verla: they sometimes improve with age!
Pickles: it's like Mrs. Habersham
Pickles: Mrs. habersham's wedding cake
Pickles: Great Expectations...Dickins...in case nobody gets the reference
nicole21: how do you keep going on something for that long? how frustrated do you get?
Pickles: well I haven't been doing it steadily for the last 35 years Nicole
Verla: (for those who came in late... we started our ProTalk 15 minutes after the hour, so we'll be going another 15 minutes before we close it....)
Pickles: It was a story i wrote when I was around 8 or 9
Pickles: I do not have the original
WriterMel: I've heard it said that there are no original plots, but how you develop them is original.
Verla: normally, things that are that old sit for years, nicole...
Pickles: my stories weren't valued when I was a kid
Pickles: so it was thrown out long ago
Verla: very true, mel!
Pickles: and I always wanted to "do" something with it
nicole21: i think i'd get caught up in new ideas and forget the old
Pickles: No, this one has stuck with me....
Pickles: I guess a pretty significant story
Pickles: my ideas collect but don't get forgotten
Pickles: yeah, I've heard that also Mel
Pickles: I think it's very true
Pickles: nothing new under the sun
Verla: I once designed an incredible book... it was one of those with pages that were split and turned separately, so you could read a bunch of different stories from one book. But somewhere along the line it got thrown out... and I've never been able to duplicate it, darn it! I just know I would have been able to revise it and sell it now if I still had it.
WriterMel: Then you must write it, Pickles.
nicole21: im slowly learning patience from just my little magazine writing so you all must have a lot of patience from all your experience
Pickles: so when you are developing an idea...do you brainstorm in a notebook, outline, what
Pickles: how do you go about developing this
LindaJoy: I don't have any patience--I just try to always have something to work on while waiting
tgseale: nicole, mag writing isn't little!
Verla: sometimes it's not so much having patience, as it is just putting up with the knocks as they come along, nicole
Pickles: Amen Verla
nicole21: well i meant little time ive been doing it
nicole21: i see
tgseale: notebook for me, pic. i have one of those 8x10 fabric covered blank books.
Pickles: ok, I have the cheap spiral ones
tgseale: no lines, so i can write at an angle, upside down, round and round in circles if i want
WriterMel: I usually start with a character, pencil, notebook paper & a clipboard.
Pickles: the fabric ones are too nice
Verla: I normally write down my ideas... then start playing with them in story form and change them as I go, pick. (for picture books) but for my novel I have written (but never yet sent out) I outlined the entire book, chapter by chapter before I wrote it
Pickles: I do that on lined paper
tgseale: it's nice enough that i want to write in, but not so nice i'm afraid to fill it with drivel
WriterMel: I have a bunch of cheapie spiral notebooks too... apparently I like to collect them, because I never seem to use them.
Pickles: I have some that are geez...probably 20 years old
Verla: lol mel
Pickles: I have some journals from high school
WriterMel: I'm serious!
Pickles: but I think I dumped some of the blank ones last move
Pickles: I believe you
Pickles: I do the same thing
WriterMel: I probably seven little ones, and 5 bigger ones or more...
Pickles: full or empty
LindaJoy: I have journals, too -- in fact I plan to use them for my next book
Pickles: oh okay you don't use them
WriterMel: All empty, shame on me...but not journals.
Pickles: mine aren't really journals either but i have story ideas in them
Pickles: and stuff
Verla: okay.. any other area of Ideas that anyone wants to make sure we explore before our time runs out?
Pickles: I do my brainstorming in them
WriterMel: nope... I keep planning to, but don't. I use notebook paper instead.
Verla: a lot of my story ideas come from thinking of a great Title for a book
Pickles: did you talk about how to "store" or "organize" your ideas
LindaJoy: My titles tend to get me started--then often get changed by editors
WriterMel: I seem to start with titles, too...
Verla: Like Hornbooks & Inkwells for my schoolhouse story
Pickles: I keep wondering if I can make a living out of coming up with ideas for writers who have problems coming up with their own
Pickles: I seem to be an idea generator
Pickles: and that's it
Verla: no, pick! GREAT topic to talk about!
LindaJoy: interesting idea, pic
Pickles: I swear I've seriously considered it LJ
WriterMel: how do you organize them, pick?
Pickles: I can't seem to develop anything
Verla: I have several of those cloth-bound notebooks that I have ideas in. Also a whole file full of them, and a box of old newspapers, too.
Pickles: in my head
Verla: of course almost all my idea files are still in storage
WriterMel: Wow, Verla, all for picture books?
Verla: I need my stuff out of storage, dang it!
Pickles: they're on paper somewhere too...and maybe on the computer
Pickles: but mostly filed in my head
Pickles: I don't have organized files
WriterMel: Lori aka Goody found a FANTASTIC online resource.
Goody2shoe: I have a WIP folder on my desktop
NOTE: WIP = Work in Progress
Jaina: Hey, gang
WriterMel: for plotting, scene building, world building, character development.
WriterMel: It's the Scriptorium.
WriterMel: (hopefully spelled right)
Goody2shoe: and it's great
Deetie: i'll have to look at it mel.
Goody2shoe: I have the Plot Planner on my screen now
Pickles: Plot Planner?
WriterMel: It's great... not too complicated or too simplistic.
Pickles: Is that for PC only
Verla: most of them are, mel. I've got one big book box in the house right now that's filled with picture albums, books, medals, letters, my dad's flight log and wings, his Red Cross War Log (diary) that he kept while he was a POW (prisoner of war) in Stalag Luft I prison camp in Germany during WWII, etc. That's all for a book I plan to write about his war experiences.
Pickles: wow, Verla
Pickles: great stuff
WriterMel: yes, Plot Planner, Scene development, World Building, Character Development (both short & long forms).
Pickles: Is Plot Planner for PC only
WriterMel: plus very reasonably priced software.
Pickles: Is Plot Planner Mac compatible?
Goody2shoe: You can print it out
Verla: yep. I have telegrams to my mother, newspaper clippings, and lots more, too.
WriterMel: I just printed it from the website, Pickles
Pickles: oh, I thought it was software
WriterMel: Nope. forms on the website, but I think you can download them.
Deetie: what is url mel?
WriterMel: gosh, Lori, give to us would you?
Pickles: Mish, what was that Hero's journey thing we were using?
Pickles: that would be good too
Goody2shoe: Click the button for tools
WriterMel: I like that it has two different character sheets.
Jaina: I'm reading The Writer's Journey right now.
Pickles: Scriptorium Publishing servises?
Goody2shoe: Yes, I used the Character Builder and "Gave Birth" to Benny on Saturday
WriterMel: Is it good, Jaina?
Jaina: So far, but I haven't gotten very far.
Jaina: I've always liked that Power of Myth stuff anyway.
Pickles: oh never mind I've got it
Pickles: Hmmm...nice website Lori
Pickles: never heard of that one before
tgseale: I bought the Marshall plan and workbook after our last discussion, but I haven't gotten very far into it. I just dove in and did it instead.
tgseale: wrote the book, that is
Verla: Hey! We have just run out of time, folks...
Jaina: I got about halfway through the M P, just to where I needed to go to write draft 1
Jaina: Run out of time? This was a discussion, was it?
Verla: anyone have any last comments they want to make before we end our ProTalk?
Pickles: You know Jon whats his name from Yella..they have some great workbooks
Verla: uh, yes, jaina... (look at the topic line... heh heh heh)
Pickles: one on plot, one on character, one on Brainstorming
Pickles: one on the basics
Jaina: I wish to state that I had no idea I was being recorded.
Jaina: For the record.
tgseale: they have a good query letter book, too
Verla: hey, I'm in that query book, tg.. and so is Linda Joy, I think?
tgseale: yes, I believe you are. It's the only book I've seen that has actual letters and explains why they work. very nice.
WriterMel: Do they really, pickles?
WriterMel: what's the URL for that?
Pickles: is that right ya'll?
WriterMel: Oh! duh!
WriterMel: Where's my brain? SIGH... thanks.
Verla: Okay, folks... this workshop is now "officially" closed...
tgseale: does that mean we have to go to bed?
tgseale: awww mom!
WriterMel: No, TG, means we have to go WRITE!
Pickles: It's not 9:30 yet
Verla: no tg.. that means we get to talk about other things now. :-)
Goody2shoe: Thanks for all the wonderful ideas
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