ProTalk Discussion: Rhyming Stories that Work - 1/11/05


Log file opened at: 1/11/05 5:57:07 PM
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #kidlit to ProTalk Discussion Rhyming Stories that Work IN PROGRESS
Verla: Okay folks...
Verla: Tonight's ProTalk is on Rhyming Stories that Work...
LovinJr: *getting comfy & ready to read*
Verla: how many of you like to (or want to) rhyme stories?
Jayca: *nervously standing in corner*
ErinS: sometimes
ivariaa: Me
Verla: I think most of you know I do!
LovinJr: I think I would like to try it
Torty: I love it
Jayca: I've written many...just haven't sold one *yet*
JKC pushed Jayca into the center.
Jayca: Yikes!
dystar: I've tried it
Verla: beHAVE jayme!
ivariaa: Behave JKC
JKC hunkers down in the corner.
Verla: okay... who has read rhymes that do NOT work?
JKC: Me! Me!
Verla waves her hand...
ErinS: oh sooo many
MRSFields: I've read mine :-)
Jayca: Oh yes!
Torty: ME too
dystar: for sure
ivariaa joins JKC
JKC: And they're all mine.
Verla: (and lots of them have been my own!)
LovinJr: if I did.......... I guess I did not notice. lol
ErinS: lots at the dollar store
dystar: I almost bought a book from one of my favourite cartoonists -- it's a children's rhyming book
Verla: one of the best ways of telling if you know the difference is when you write your own rhymes and you can tell when some of them aren't any good
dystar: the illo's were wonderful, but the rhymes were awful
Jayca: plenty of those
Verla: okay... first let's talk about what makes rhyme bad...
Torty: meter doesn't work- forced or is too sing- songey
ErinS: I can tell when the meter is off
Verla: obviously, it's when it doesn't rhyme
MRSFields: Bad meter, crappy story
Verla: right right right!!!!!
Torty: forced rhymes
ErinS: bad rhythm
Torty: OR NO story at all
ErinS: anything that rhymes again and grain
Verla: also there's "internal" rhythm of words, too.... (and we'll talk more about that
PamelaRoss: when the flow of the words does not sound natural...
ErinS: Beats are off
Jayca: yes, and when the stresses are on the wrong syllables...
Verla: wow... you folks KNOW your rhymes!
ErinS: starting line with wrong beat
Verla: yep yep yep
Verla: okay...
Torty: changing meter with no real pattern
ErinS: inverting really bugs me too
Verla: your work also needs to flow smoothly
Verla: and sound "right" when read aloud
Jayca: anytime you have to work at reading it to make it come out right
Verla: as well as everything you have all sais
PamelaRoss: Bad rhyme is not the same thing as a bad story <g>
Jayca: it should just easy as reading anything else
Verla: said
Verla: one of the best compliments you can ever get is when someone tells you (about a rhyming story) "Hey! That's almost like poetry, isn't it?"
LovinJr: what is the difference between a rhyming pb and a poem that rhymes??
Verla: that means the STORY is carrying the reader, and not the rhyme
PamelaRoss: Yes. Because great rhyme is really great.. music.
JKC: Okay...dumb question...isn't rhyming poetry?
JKC: Oh...tra la la.
Torty: But poetry doesn't need a narrative or recount of a story as such
PamelaRoss: Lovin-- a poem is not necessarily a picture BOOK
Verla: a picture book has specific structure, lovin
Verla: it needs to have 16 to 22 "images" in it...
Verla: it needs all the same structure as any really good story
Verla: while a poem can be... pretty much anything
PamelaRoss: A poem can be a slice of life, moment in time.. a rhythmic painting of a feeling...
Verla: right
Torty: Orientation,Complication and Resolution is required in a story
PamelaRoss: A lot of us try to sell picture books but they are probably a poem <g>
LovinJr: so basically, it is a regular pb story -- that rhymes??
JKC: Wow, Torty.
Verla: right, lovin!
LovinJr: ok. I think I got it.
Verla: I often suggest writing a rhyming story in prose... just to see what the real story is behind the rhymes
LovinJr: Dr. Seuss books.
LovinJr: They rhyme
Verla: if the story isn't full and rich, then you don't have a picture book
PamelaRoss: and, as Verla's picture books illustrate, the story =needs= the rhythm to be told in that particular context
Jayca: I love Dr. Seuss books...but no one else could get away with rhyming by way of making up words & names
Jayca: Or at least I know I can't
JKC: A lot of people try and miserably fail copying Seuss.
Verla: he had his own distinctive "voice" in his stories, Jayca
PamelaRoss: {{{}}
Jayca: He did indeed.
Verla: shhhh, that's not part of the workshop tonight. LOL!
Jayca: I really do love his books
PamelaRoss: Many have tried to imitate. Many have failed. Is Katie Couric in the
chat? {}
Jayca: Oh geez...did Katie Couric write a rhyming pb?
Verla: what's exciting is when someone finds their own voice/style in writing...
JKC: Yup.
Verla: okay... let
Verla: let's talk rhymes
PamelaRoss: Verla: which is why writing picture bks is so much harder than people presume.. The ability to say something in a completely unique, yet poetic, way
LovinJr: Is the page and word length the same as in regular pb's?
Verla: someone give me a good rhyme, please?
JKC: I wish I could help you, Verla.
Jayca: How about I give you a few lines and you can judge for yourself?
JKC: Good.
JKC: Do that, Jayca.
Verla: rhyming stories are usually on the shorter end of picture books, lovin
Jayca: I'd like to see her water ski, they say she was quite good.
Jayca: But even if Gran wanted to, mom doesn't think she should.
Jayca: ??
Verla: okay... good and should rhyme
Verla: that's good
JKC: That's good to me, too.
JKC: Now why is that good, everyone?
Torty: sounds good
Verla: because the words really rhyme
JKC: Does it have the right meter?
Torty: Meter is perfect
JKC: Thanks, Jayca.
JKC: Anyone else?
Jayca: *Blushing*
ivariaa: Early in the morning
PamelaRoss: The stress syllables are in the right place
Verla: okay.. someone give an example of two words that would be "near rhymes"
JKC: crime...slime
LovinJr: stress syllables?
Jayca: crime & slime rhyme
PamelaRoss: Lovin: soft/HARD soft HARD, etc
Verla: for instance, Green and Stream do NOT rhyme
JKC: And frame and mane do not.
Jayca: good example, Verla
Verla: (and did you know I used them as rhyming words in one of my books? And NO ONE has ever said anything about it!)
JKC: What green and stream?
Jayca: There are LOTS of books with near rhyme
ivariaa: too afraid of you
Jayca: They heard about the knives, Verla
NOTE: Verla had just cut (that morning) the entire tip off the end of her finger with a very sharp knife. People in the workshop knew about her accident...
PamelaRoss: did you realize what you were doing, Verla?
PamelaRoss: or was this one missed in the editing stage? ;>
Verla: I knew, pamela. But they seemed to "work" so we didn't change them
Verla: once in a great while you can sneak them in and they work
Amishka: I said something Verla
Amishka: just not to you
Verla: I would expect you to notice it, ami!
JKC thinks Ivariaa should behave.
ivariaa sticks out her tongue at JKC
Verla: (this will be in the transcript people...)
Jayca: Was this one of your first books Verla?
MRSFields: It's because they both have r blends and strong vowel sounds (long a) which "distracts" the reader from the very faint different in "n" and "M"
Verla: second one sold, first one published, jayca
Verla: most editors HATE near rhymes and will immediately reject stories with it in them
Torty: I know of another famous book where the author included a plural as a rhyme. Said there was no way around it. It still really works though
MRSFields: A near rhyme like "trend" and "went" would be much more ear catching
NOTE: and trend and went would be considered "bad rhyme"
PamelaRoss: The editors probably reject the near rhymes because it is an indication the writer does not have the craft down; Verla does. {}
LovinJr: So if you cannot do a book with perfect rhyme, then do not send it to editors??
Amishka: when you study rhyme and meter from already published books you notice things
Verla: not until you get it perfect, lovin
Jayca: You can't let yourself fall in love with a certain line...
Jayca: can't force a rhyme just because you don't want to lose that line
Jayca: I've learned that
Verla: it can take years to get it right, sometimes. (My Broken Feather book took me five years to get the rhymes right before I could sell it)
dystar: I hate forced rhymes
LovinJr: I have enough concern writing what I do now......... maybe I better not attempt rhyme
Verla: I've worked for months to get something right
Verla: just one line and/or word!
Jayca: Ever since I started writing rhyme I hear forced rhyme in so many songs (most of them)
JKC: I would imagine you do, Jayca.
Verla: songs take a lot more liberties with rhymes than what is allowed in books
Torty: Oh yes, they focus a lot on dragging out the middle sound to take the focus off the end of a line
dystar: that's true
Verla: okay... let's talk a little about rhythm now
dystar: you can get away with more in a song, because you can alter the tune
PamelaRoss: but when you study the great lyricists, their poetical prowess is spot on ;>
Verla: the rhythm in rhyme is just as important as the rhyme
Verla: for instance... in my cryptic rhymes, I have a very tight, EXACT rhythm.
Verla: DA da DA da/DA da da./DA da DA da/DA da da
Jayca: same exact pattern throughout the book Verla? As far as number of beats/line?
Verla: I just sold a book to my publisher called Pony Express
JKC: Isn't there a word for the da da da'ing.
Verla: (probably, jayme)
Amishka: Da da da is called a Dactyl Pattern
Amishka: da DA is Iamb
Amishka: Da da is Trochee and da da Da is Anapest
Jayca: Oh, Amishka...I'll never remember all these da da da names
PamelaRoss: Ami-- put your professor's cap on-- ;} Thank you!
Amishka: Someone asked, I answered
PamelaRoss: Glad it was asked AND answered <g>
Jayca: Yes, thanks Amishka!
Jayca: I'll have to print out this transcript and study!
LovinJr: make sure you have lots of ink Jayca
Amishka: but just because I know the names doesn't mean I can do it. Verla is much better
PamelaRoss: Do you hear the proper beats in your head as you think about the words to come or do you have to deliberatey count it out to get it Just Right?
Verla: at first I had to count it, pamela
Verla: now the pattern is "ingrained" in my head and it's "natural" to me
Jayca: Same pattern in every book verla?
Verla: yes, same pattern, jayca
Verla: all the books
Torty: I think most people find their preferred meter and stick with it.
Verla: But look at the words Pony Express...
Verla: I CANNOT use them in the book!
Torty: So true
dystar: I know I prefer a meter that stays the same throughout the same book
Verla: because the four beats I use for my stories are DA da DA da.... and POny EXpress would not sound right in that pattern!
dystar: so what did you do, verla?
Verla: the natural rhythm of the word Express has the beat on the second syllable, and my word pattern has the beat on the first syllable. So no matter how much I want to use the words Pony Express in my story, I CAN NOT do it.
Verla: I used the words in the TITLE of the story, dy. :-) What else was there?
dystar: ah-hah
Jayca: Can't wait to read it...
PamelaRoss: And it never gets mentioned again? That must have been hard.
Jayca: I bet that was hard
Verla: it was hard!
Amishka: Unless you changed your pattern to match that book Verla
Verla: but you have to stay true to your rhythm
Verla: and you can't "cheat"
Amishka: I mean for the whole book
Torty: That would be a near impossible meter to sustain
Verla: because it SHOWS
shelly: Verla, you could have used it if you changed the rhythm of the whole piece
Amishka: which probably would have been harder
Verla: Yes, but then it wouldn't have been my cryptic rhyme, shelly
Verla: :-)
shelly: all of your stories are iambic, verla?
Jayca: your trademark!
Verla: they are, shelly
Torty: No, Verla's are trochaic
Verla: yep
shelly: ah, i see
Verla: Hey, they are something like that
Torty: Emphasis on FIRST syllable
shelly: oh, right
shelly: thanks, torty
Amishka: Iambic/Dactyl Shelly
Torty: no worries
shelly: i always get those mixed up
Verla: anyway... the point I'm making here is that you can't "fudge" when doing rhyme. You can not make something work if it doesn't "naturally" work
Torty: Jayca's are iambic- her example earlier was anyway
PamelaRoss: iambic is weak/STRONG (as in da DUM da DUM)
shelly: it's a good thing you don't need to know these terms in order to write good rhyme, huh?
Jayca: LOL. Yup!
tgseale: I don't know the names of any of them. I just know what sounds right!
Amishka: right, I just said that earlier haha
LovinJr: all of these terms have me confused and I am not sure I want to try it at all now. :-)
Verla: right, shelly, and you don't need to know them (I don't) as long as you can HEAR what works
Amishka: Trochaic/dactyl
tgseale: right
PamelaRoss: Like porn, I don't watch it but I know what it IS <g>
NOTE: <g> = grin
Jayca: Tee Hee!
tgseale: lol
Torty: Just ignore the terms and listen to your own rhythm
Verla: right, torty. but make sure to stay true to your patterns... whatever they end up being
PamelaRoss: (oh g-d, I think that is not going to read right in the transcript) ;{
Amishka: haha, PR
Torty: And get someone else to read it too. It's amazing how often you 'cheat' without realising it
Amishka: at least you didn't say you watch it but don't know what it is
PamelaRoss: Bingo, Ami ;}
PamelaRoss: Do you clap your lines out?
Amishka: read it out loud too
MRSFields: I can't "hear" it from clapping -- tin ear
tgseale: I don't have to clap it to hear it
MRSFields: I would love to write metered verse but I can't hear it
PamelaRoss: I think you're right. If it doesn't read well.. if I trip over my tongue.. that's all I need to know something is off.
MRSFields: My brain will "fix" my mistakes, even when I read
Amishka: The dictionary actually has stresses over words too
JKC: I can't hear it either, Jan.
Amishka: but that doesn't always work
tgseale: but I've been known to read aloud like this HIGH upON the TALLest HILL
MRSFields: Yeah, I look up two syllable words, and I know most verbs are naturally stressed -- except linking verbs
PamelaRoss: And it is even more important to hear how OTHERS read it back. You KNOW how you want it to sound but if the reader is tangled in the beat or an emphasis of a syllable, you're in trouble.
Amishka: right
Torty: Dialect can be a problem when writing rhyme too. Depends where you are trying to sell. US folk put different emphasis on different syllables due to accent
Torty: Well, it's a problem for an Aussie rhymer anyway
NOTE: Torty lives in Australia
Jayca: like the word "poem"...can be po-em or pome
Jayca: I try to steer clear of those words
Amishka: You have to stay clear of words like that
MRSFields: Hey, I'm Southern...lots of words have extra syllables for me
PamelaRoss: True. I wonder how many picture books are actually sold to foreign markets because of the limitation in the way the words come out in the reader's head
Amishka: and also, what may rhyme to Torty may not rhyme to us
Torty: Most of the rhymes are fine. It's more the meter
tgseale: do you guys use a rhyming dictionary?
shelly: torty, even in the US, there are regional differences in pronounciation
shelly: i sometimes do, tg, when i'm really stuck
PamelaRoss: TG-- RHYMING DICTIONARIES. Plural. I am so anal about getting the right word.
Torty: So how do you accomodate for that Shelly?
Jayca: yes, I do
PamelaRoss: And a thesaurus.
PamelaRoss: Meaning just one is not enough for me.
shelly: torty, i try to avoid using words that i know have different pronounciations in different parts
PamelaRoss: You should see me with a bag of potato chips. ;}
Torty: I'd have no words to write with then- I just trust my U.S crit buddies to help iron it out
tgseale: I used to have a dinky one, but I like and I just got a little blue hard back Webster's that is pretty comprehensive
NOTE: Verla uses a rhyming dictionary frequently. Her favorite one is The Random House Rhyming Dictionary. It's small enough to fit into a pocket or purse, and comprehensive enough to have most rhyming words in it (over 30,000.)
Amishka: that helps Torty,
Torty: it does
Verla: you also need to worry about "how" a story reads, too... for instance, Read this verse out loud: Unfurled canvas,/Brisk, strong breeze./ Water glistens,/Azure seas.
tgseale: Tattered Sails!
Verla: notice how your tongue gets caught up in Brisk strong breeze? (it IS from Tattered Sails, tg)
shelly: is good when i don't want to get up and walk over to the shelf, but it isn't as comprehecnsive as my real rhyming dictionary
tgseale: yes. it's a bit of a tongue twister
Jayca: yes
Verla: picture book stories need to read aloud easily and well
Amishka: glad to see you back verla
lkp: my tongue does not get caught
shelly: llk, you're talented
Verla: so even though the rhythm and rhyme was right in it, I had to change it
Verla: now it reads...
lkp: to what did you change it
Verla: Unfurled canvas,/Salty breeze./ Water glistens,/Azure seas.
Jayca: Nice!
tgseale: yes, much better
lkp: now my toungeu does catch on salty
lkp: oh well
lkp: there's one in every crowd isn't there
tgseale: haha lkp!
Verla: that not only fixed the tongue twister, but added some "taste" to the story as well!
shelly: yes, i like that, verla
tgseale: yes, very nice, verla.
Torty: Sure is
Amishka: much better Verla
MRSFields: When I read "brisk, strong breeze" aloud, I didn't trip but I did hit each syllable hard
Amishka: it flows now
Torty: I wondered about that too- do you emphasise all 3 syllables there?
Amishka: but you have to stop after brisk
MRSFields: What about it makes the "strong" unstressed?
Verla: also, be wary of using words like tools/piled/sails for your rhyming words
Amishka: before your mouth can say strong
PamelaRoss: And your rhymes are so beautiful that I don't think your reader NOTICES they are reading IN rhyme. It just works. I think that's the key. The rhyme itself should not overtake the story and should not be the ONLY reason for the structure of the story.
lkp: I do all three
Amishka: Salty breeze you don't have to stop
Verla: they can be read as either one OR two syllable words, depending on who is reading them
Torty: Brisk, strong reads like DA,DA and salty is DA da to me
shelly: i don't stress strong as much as the other two
Verla: not for your rhyming words, sorry... for your rhyming STORIES I meant to say
PamelaRoss: BRISK ... BREEZE is a tongue tripper
Amishka: actually with any pb you write rhyme or not you want the words to flow off your tongue as you read
NOTE: pb = picture book
Verla: right, ami!
Amishka: you don't want to have to stop short before saying another word
tgseale: and do you all think rhyming pbs must always have a complete story arc?
lkp: but do you sometimes want to stop short for empahsis?
lkp: emphasis
Verla: ABSOLUTELY, tg!
Amishka: yes, Lkp, but that's different
MRSFields: Unless you might use a DA DA DA break from the usual pattern to draw attention to a major plot change or such
Verla: ALL "rules" can be broken sometimes!
PamelaRoss: Without the arc, I would imagine the rejection letter would read: "pretty but so what?" ;>
Verla: the trick is know you are breaking them, and to break them for emphasis/effect... and in a way that "works" for the reader
Amishka: pretty but slight
PamelaRoss: A slight delight ;}
tgseale: hee hee--I think I have a few of those
Amishka: I've seen rhyming pbs that break the meter on purpose for the effect you get as it speeds up or slows down and they work in that case
MRSFields: Do editors say 'slight' for lack of story arc? I thought it was for theme
shelly: editors say slight for many different reasons
Amishka: I think it could be for anything, MS
Verla: I think the most important thing of all to remember is that first you are writing a GOOD STRONG STORY. The rhyme is the "background" rhythm of the story.
PamelaRoss: It's such a nice euphemism for "not right for me"
MRSFields: It's code for "'s time to get that day job your mom's been suggesting"
JKC: Good point, Verla. Very good.
Amishka: I think they use slight when they don't know what to tell you at times - or just because that's the first form they happened to pull out of their form piles
Verla: it can be slight for all of those things missing, MRSFields
Verla: YIKES.... we only have three minutes of our ProTalk Discussion left!
PamelaRoss: I often think to myself: I am writing this in rhythm and rhyme because that is the FORM this story natually needs. Why do artists paint? Because that is the form that tells THEIR story.
shelly: see, we just made up a few new meanings for the word "slight". It's one of those rare words that can be used to mean anything
Verla: anyone have anything else they want to ask, or add?
Verla: before we close our discussion?
shelly: in regards to changing the rhythm, sometimes it is nice to have a refrain, it gives you a break and the rhythm doesn't become monotonous
PamelaRoss: Read as many picture books as you can
PamelaRoss: ;>
tgseale: current pbs!
PamelaRoss: Good ones, too. <g>
Verla: excellent advice... from Shelly and Pamela and tg....
Amishka: PR that's why I write in freeverse because that's the form that particular story needed
Verla: read stories out loud, too
PamelaRoss: Ami-- I, er, hear you. <g> Good point. Write organically from the story OUT.
Amishka: Verla, you mentioned about forced rhyme earlier, does everyone actually know what that is because it seemed like people thought it might be the same as near rhyme
PamelaRoss: Verla, do you love to read back your own work?
PamelaRoss: Ami-- good Q
Verla: I hope so, pamela
Verla: oh, good point, ami
MRSFields: When you twist a sentence to get the rhyming word at the end
JKC: Why don't you explain, Mish.
MRSFields: Or throw in a stupid sentence just to rhyme?
Amishka: Mrs fields just did
JKC: And sometimes a made up word.
MRSFields: Oh...sorry
shelly: when it sounds contrived
Amishka: it's when you twist up a sentence that's forced rhyme
JKC: Thanks, Jan.
shelly: or a made up name, like suess used to do
PamelaRoss: I hate when I can see the writer IN the sentence
PamelaRoss: Just to buff it out
Amishka: I don't know if that's forced rhyme, shelly so much as ummm... lazy rhyme
JKC: Lazy, forced rhyme.
Verla: here's an example fo forced rhyme:
PamelaRoss: or cliche phrases like to meet the rhyme structure
Amishka: Forced rhyme would be something like
Amishka: and home I go
Amishka: instead of and I go home
Verla: Joe, a tree climbed up
shelly: unnatural phrases forced rhyme phases
shelly: there, that was forced rhyme
shelly: in more than one way
Verla: the words have been tweaked out of their natural order to make a line that will rhyme with another one
LovinJr: How come when you 'google' freelance -- all you get is a bunch of paid survey crap?? I would like some kind of freelance job, or something.
deetie: hi andrea!!
Amishka: Pam I hate seeing the writer as well
shelly: right, verla, AND the end rhyme really didn't make sense, it was just thrown in there because it rhymed
Andrea: Wowee- howdy!
Andrea: Oops
Verla: here's a rhyme done that way.
Verla: Mary had a little lamb/Her lamb had wool that was white as snow./And everywhere that Mary went,/The lamb followed her and would also go.
PamelaRoss: I don't want to hear and see the art AT work. That is what makes it a forced and contrived set-up.
Verla: see how contrived and forced (and out of rhythm) that verse is?
Jayca: That's BAD
shelly: ick, verla
Amishka: that was just plain bad verla
Amishka: like where's mary's bucket so I can upchuck
Jayca: that should be upchuckit <g>
tgseale: no no, ami, that was jack and jill
LindaJoy: LOL, mish!
Amishka: LOL Jayca
Verla: here's an example of a verse with bad "accent"... where the natural rhythm of a word doesn't match the natural rhythm of a verse:
Verla: If you always do what seems just right,/But no one seems to care,/Then jump around and scream and yell/Calling with all your might.
PamelaRoss: Jack and Jill are bringing the pail down the hill. Hold your upchuck. {}
shelly: did we talk about using filler to fit the meter--that's also a type of forced rhyme, isn't it?
shelly: lol
Verla: That's forcing your story, shelly
Amishka: Not the rhyme
PamelaRoss: Verla: I hope these are not examples from your early drafts. :}
shelly: yes, but you would never do that in prose, because there's no need, it's something that only happens in rhyming stories
Amishka: or maybe forced meter
Verla: even in rhyming stories, EVERY SINGLE WORD in the story has to move the plot/story forward
shelly: whatever it is, DON'T DO IT
Amishka: forced rhyme is flipping the sentence around so you have the rhyming word on the end
Verla: these are examples from one of my rhyming workshops, pamela... on how to learn to write good rhyme
Amishka: forced meter would be throwing in extra words for your meter
tgseale: i know exactly what you're saying, shelly. i've seen it before.
shelly: again, good thing we don't need to know specific terms to know how to write it well :)
Amishka: I'm very good at forced meter which is why I don't write rhyming pbs
shelly: okay, let's call that forced meter, then. i like that, ami, although i've never heard the term before
Amishka: I haven't either
Verla: Okay... one last bit of advice from me before we close: Don't ever settle for "good" rhyme. Make every single verse, line, and word SING. Then your rhymes are "good enough"
Amishka: but you'd be forcing the meter not the rhyme
shelly: well-said!
shelly: in most cases, ami, but in some cases, people put in a whole line that's filler and that includes the end rhyme
Verla: I hope this helps some of you to write better rhyming stories.
shelly: so that would be forced meter and forced rhyme
Jayca: Thanks Verla!
PamelaRoss: Sing your stories. I've tried to see if they could be turned into a folk song. ;>
Torty: Thanks Verla
shelly: thanks verla
JKC: Thanks, Verla.
Amishka: most likely shelly
Amishka: thanks Verla
tgseale: thank you thank you!
Verla: And now... I'm off to lie down and sleep off the medication for my finger. Hugs all! And Happy Rhyming!
varia: Thank you Kia/Verla with 4 1/2 fingers on one hand.
shelly: night, verla
Amishka: night Verla
PamelaRoss: Verla, I hope you heal soon. WHAT HAND WAS IT?
shelly: brb
tgseale: night verla. i hope your owie feels better
Jayca: Night Verla...feel better.
Verla: left, pamela
varia: Nite Verla
PamelaRoss: (prays V is a rightie. A writing rightie) :}
NOTE: Verla is a rightie, and the finger healed up beautifully.
Log file closed at: 1/11/05 7:13:55 PM

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