ProTalk Discussion: - Perfecting Picture Books - 12/21/04


Log file opened at: 12/21/04 5:47:02 PM
Dori: LOL. I'm impressed that I remember it, too, Kristy
kdbrazil: Hi verla
JKC: Hi Verla.
Verla: Hey! People already
Dori: Heya, kia
JKC: We've been arranging chairs.
JKC: I've already set up the refreshments.
Verla: I'm VERY impressed you remembered it, Dori. And SO glad you are here to help the workshop tonight
Dori: We're getting the place ready
Verla: awesome!
kdbrazil: so are we!
Dori: I'll stay as long as I can, Verla
Verla hands out the silly string cans, (multiple colors, of course)
Verla: <I kept a can of purple for myself!
Dori: It's a topic near and dear to my heart
JKC: Thanks...
kdbrazil: i get the purple!
Verla: I know, dori
JKC: Hey, I WANTED the purple.
kdbrazil: Oh no, surely there is another can of purple
Verla: (There's more than one purple, jayme.)
JKC: Thank you.........
Dori: I'll have red and green, for Christmas
Verla bows and sets off her can
Verla: OOOPS!
JKC says, Na na na NA na! And sticks out a big tongue.
Verla: LOL.. you all look so cute with purple streamers in your hair
kdbrazil: But YAY!
Dori: All right, you guys. Get your sillies out now before the formal discussion!!! ;-)
joanclr: Hi!
JKC yells, Yippeeeee!
Dori: Hi, Joancir
JKC blows a raspberry across the chat room, PPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTH!
JKC: Okay, that's as silly as I get.
Dori: I get lost in chat rooms.
JKC: Ahhhhhh.
JKC: Hi Shirl.
Dori: BRB for show time...
NOTE: BRB = Be Right Back (or sometimes, BathRoom Break <grin>)
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Perfecting Picture Books ProTalk Discussion TONIGHT!
joanclr: Hey Gail
^GailM: Good evening all.
Verla: TIME to start!
joanclr: Ta-da!
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Perfecting Picture Books ProTalk Discussion IN PROGRESS!
Verla: Welcome to our special Kidlit ProTalk Discussion. We ask that you hold all personal chit-chat until the hour is up, but we encourage you to join the discussion in progress of the current topic.
Verla: Our topic tonight is Perfecting Picture Books
Verla: and we have several picture book authors in attendance, to add their expertise to the discussion
^GailM: Before the picture book is perfected, all writers should know that fewer picture books are being bought, so if you thought it was impossible before, it is now MORE than impossible. Therefore, the book must be perfect plus.
Dori: Back
Verla: it's not totally impossible, Gail, but your book does have to be extra good today to sell
^GailM: Dori can tell you about selling fiction in rhyme.
Verla: it needs to have either a very distinctive, memorable character, or...
Verla: a really wonderful, different story line, or
Verla: some kind of "sales hook".
Cynthia: By "sales hook" you mean...
Verla: But of course, no matter what other advantages you have, you still need to have really incredible writing for your story to sell
Dori: IMHO, the biggest attraction of a good book is the 'story.' It's got to be good
NOTE: IMHO = In My Humble Opinion
JKC: Humor sells.
Dori: Humor is good, but it still comes down to the story
Verla: some extra hook to push the sales of your story. Example: When I sold my Gold Fever book, it was several years before the 150th anniversary of the 49ers gold rush to California
JKC: True.
Verla: right dori. The story AND the quality/voice of the writing is what makes a manuscript stand out above all the rest
Cynthia: that darn "voice"
Dori: ... the elusive 'voice'
Verla: if you have a distinctive, different story (not one the editor has heard 600,000 times before) and also a distinctive, attractive "voice" to your writing, you have a good chance of selling your story
JKC: Ah, yes...elusive.
Cynthia: sometimes it seems like when I have great "voice", the story is so-so, or vice versa
Verla: the words "voice" and "plot" drove me insane when I first started writing. I just didn't "get" them and couldn't comprehend what they were!
Dori: It has to be a mix of all, Cyn.... voice, story, characters, etc
kdbrazil: Ok quickly, run down the elements, then, of a good story
Dori: Oh, yikes. How much time do we have?
Verla: yes, to get a perfect (ie perfect enough to catch an editor's eye enough to get them to want to buy it) picture book manuscript takes a lot of work!
Verla: One hour, dori. We have one hour for this discussion.
^GailM: I've seen lots of books that are really just a slice of life, no plot. Even with voice, a slice of life is not likely to sell.
kdbrazil: Ok, plot
Verla: a good picture book needs to have:
Verla: an interesting story line WITH A PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED
kdbrazil: ok got that
Cynthia: or it can be a great concept book
Dori: Exception::: Not all books have a problem..
Verla: while "slice of life" stories (ancedotes, rather than full problem-based stories) CAN sell, they are a very hard sell, and I don't recommend them
Dori: Sorry... I didn't mean to butt in
Dori: I think of 'plot' stories as having a problem to solve
Verla: butt away, dori! That's what makes these discussions so valuable... people hear more than one viewpoint
JKC: It needs a definite beginning, middle and ending. I'm weak on the ending.
Verla: yes, and the ending needs to be something very, very satisfying
^GailM: It is common to be weak on the ending.
Cynthia: I love twists at the end
kdbrazil: i have a book that doesn't have the "typical" problem to be solved but has a problem that supplies a bit of suspense and make the reader root for the mc
NOTE: mc = main character
kdbrazil: but it is sort of slice of life
Verla: another thing a good picture book MUST have is "read it again" potential
Deb: text that inspires the illustrator for at least 14 (?) illos. important as well, especially for a pb
NOTE: pb = picture book
Dori: Agree
Verla: most good picture books are read over and over and over and over and over and over again...
Cynthia: rhythm helps there
Verla: if it has enough suspense/interest in it to keep the readers' attention, it might not need the "problem" kd
Dori: Sometimes picbooks simply inspire a certain 'feeling.
JKC: But what gives it a guaranteed "read it again" potential?
Verla: I recommend 16 to 22 illustration possibilities for picture book manuscripts, dori
Verla: it might be the enjoyable language, jayme... or the rhythm of the story... or the plot line... or all of the above and a few more things I'm not thinking of right now
Dori: I usually think in terms of 14-16 spreads, kia
Dori: But I can see how either works
^GailM: Young kids like repeated words or phrases, hopefully funny.
joanclr: If done well, one thing that gives a great reading quality is when there is a key line that is repeated several times throughout the text
Verla: yes, kids usually love repetition, gail
Cynthia: my 4 year old was screaming out "gotta go, gotta go, gotta go to Mexico" today
Deb: yep...rereadability is a must. repitition is great too...allows kids to chime in...
Deb: lol
NOTE: lol = laughing out loud
Dori: All that adds up to a good read, but truthfully, I think it's the 'emotion' that a child is left with that makes a story one they want to re-read
Deb: agreed!!
Deb: they finish that last line and want to experience the story again
Dori: That emotion can be fun, or silly, or whatever... but it draws the child back
Verla: very true, dori
Dori: And the child finds things in the story they can relate to... things from their world
kdbrazil: or things they wish they could relate to
Dori: They identify with it
Deb: and things they may have to overcome themselves
Cynthia: I read an interview with Bill Martin once; he said he gets the rhythm first, then writes his story
kdbrazil: I've done that with *one* story
kdbrazil: it's hard
Dori: Cyn, I think 'rhythm' is just another word for 'voice.'
JKC: I agree, Dori.
Deb: is how the story needs to be told
kdbrazil: ah ok, i think I see what you mean
Deb: sometimes I lose sight of that and the story suffers..
Dori: When I think of 'voice,' I think of a way to tell the story I want to tell with the most clarity
Verla: I try to perfect my picture books by doing several things...
Verla: first, I work on the story line
Cynthia: i think of them very slightly differently; voice how to tell the story and rhythm if it has an actual beat to it
Verla: I try to have an interesting beginning that draws the reader directly and immediately into the story
Jaina: When I think of voice, I think of what makes your writing distinct. Unlike the next person's story, if it were written about the same subject.
JKC: See I think of rhythm as lyrical...and therefore voice.
Dori: Cyn , for me, the rhythm flows from the voice
Verla: then I work on a perfect ending for the story. How can I make the story different from what the reader expects, yet totally satisfying?
kdbrazil: I try to do that too Verla
LisaS: verla, it was interesting to hear the first pages read at a conference. Too much information, sometimes we didn't even know who the mc was
Dori: Right, Verla. Unpredictability
kdbrazil: beginnings and endings are important to me
Cynthia: interesting, Verla; I usually start with the end
LisaS: I think a pb needs to get to the problem RIGHT away!
Verla: One of the BEST descriptions of good endings I ever heard was: When you get to the end of the story, your readers should hit themselves on the head, and say, "OH! OF COURSE! Why didn't I think of that?"
Cynthia: yes, surprising, yet inevitable
Dori: A natural conclusion, without forcing
Cynthia: that is dang hard to do!
Dori: Sometimes you just have to follow your instincts
Verla: then I work on the middle... making sure the main character shows up at regular intervals, so the young listeners don't forget who he/she is
kdbrazil: the middle is the hardest :)
Verla: giving "highs and lows" to the story with problems and solutions to the problems
JKC: But the MC has to find the solution.
Dori: Definitely, JKC
Cynthia: I tend to like things wild and crazy, and I have a hard time reigning it in enough to make sense
Verla: after I feel I have a REALLY good story line, then I go to work on the lines inside the story. I try to have every line "sing" to me - every line should make me feel something, experience something, or delight me in some way with the kinds of words used.
Deb: Sometimes I perfect through trimming...most often the pb starts out very much like a short story
JKC: Almost lyrical.
Deb: Whoa...nice Verla!
Verla: Example: Crusty long johns,/Smelly shirt./Sweat-stained britches,/Caked with dirt. (Verse from Gold Fever)
Cynthia: Verla, like getting the bones down right, then working on getting perfect skin?
Verla: right, cynthia
Deb: and talk about strong visuals for the illustrator!
Verla: Picture books authors don't have a lot of words with which to tell their stories. They need to write very "spare," and leave a lot for an illustrator to draw.
LisaS: Nina Layden says, "the words are the bones and the pictures are the flesh."
Dori: When I work, I just jab the first draft on the page, to get the story down... then polish, as Verla says
Cynthia: part of my trimming is taking out anything better left to the illustrator
Verla: at least half the story should be told via the illustrations. And when you write picture books, you have to remember that YOU don't get to say anything about what goes into your illustrations - what is "told" in that half of the story, unless you are also a professional illustrator and are both writing and illustrating your stories
Dori: Study every line and ask yourself... can I say it in a better way? More colorful language? Clearer?
JKC: Write tight.
Verla: right, dori
JKC: Very tight...but like Verla says "Make it sing."
Cynthia: I find the hardest part is getting the structure down right, really getting to the heart of the story
Dori: Cyn, try outlining the story plot in your head before you start writing
Verla: the first book in my Gold Fever book originally started out as: Moving westward, Many miners. People call them, Forty-niners.
Verla: when I got done "perfecting that verse," it read like this:
Verla: Dashing westward, Many miners. Townsfolk snicker, "Forty-niners!"
joanclr: wow Verla, good example
Dori: A lot more emotion, Verla, in your rewrite
joanclr: what powerful changes
JKC: An awesome change.
Cynthia: great example
kdbrazil: great
Cynthia: i love that part of revising
Deb: ditto!
Dori: A good example of using action verbs
JKC: I do, too, Cynthia.
Verla: sometimes a story can take years (literally) before it "gels"
Deb: that's good to know...I have two that aren't anymore :(
Verla: Yes. I look at the words and think, "How can I make this word stronger, more expressive of the story I want to tell, more vivid and/or exciting for the reader?
Dori: But you have to be careful not to get too flowery in your word choices. Sometimes a writer will tend to get too lyrical, and then loses clarity
PamelaRoss: moving vs dashing; "Townsfolk snicker" shows the conflict in such bare bones prose. That was a great example, Verla.
Cynthia: flowery: yuck!
Verla: by changing Moving to Dashing, I added a lot of "flavor" of the time period to the line, as well as the element of urgency
Dori: It's the use of 'action verbs,
LisaS: When I'm writing rhyming stories, I use a thesaurus more than my rhyming dictionary
Dori: that does it, kia
Verla: and by changing "people" to "townsfolk" I again added some flavor of the time period
Verla: changing "call them" to "snicker" added a needed element of the folly people felt about the forty niners rushing off to make their fortunes...
PamelaRoss: And you've set up the story right off the bat in the first 4 lines.
Verla: the BEST thesaurus I ever got ahold of is The Family Word Finder by Reader's Digest.
Verla: It's so much better than Rogets in my opinion
Deb: Hey! now there is something to add to my list :)
Verla: out of print now, but you can find it on
Verla: I just bought a second copy of it for $1.88 (big hardback!) plus $5 shipping... so for under $7 I got a book worth over $20
PamelaRoss: (From the ABE site, Verla?)
Verla: yep, pamela
PamelaRoss: Excellent
Cynthia: someone mentioned not using story lines that editors have seen lots of times - what do you think are some examples?
Jaina: Toothfairy, monster under the bed?
JKC: animal not happy with his lot in life
ponytailmo: wanting a puppy
Jaina: First day of school
Cynthia: I ask because I had a story with a magic box that took a girl to exciting places that someone - rightly pointed out was not original, so I changed it a LOT
Verla: some other things I've heard editors mention that they see all the time are the "bully" problems, and the "kid who doesn't fit in"
Deb: I think we also have to consider not so much the idea as how it is delivered?
Deb: or told? new approach kind of thing
dystar: I heard that editors don't mind talking animal stories as long as the animal has something worthwhile to say
JKC: Oh, that's true. You can always find a new way of telling the old.
LisaS: Yes, I think so.
Verla: Just for your information, I recently heard an editor mention that some libraries are looking for more books with father/child relationships
Deb: on the other hand ...I have heard same re death of grandparent
Jaina: That's interesting, Verla. Thanks!
Deb: yes, thanks Verla
LisaS: I have a father/son story in verse and I got one comment from an editor - afraid it wouldn't have wide enough appeal or something like that
joanclr: What about anthromorphic characters - is there any time or way that those are acceptable? Iknow it's genrally considered an "automatic no"
Jaina: When I asked my students (college freshmen) to write about something meaningful in their lives, about half of them would write about their grandmother dying.
Verla: I'd suggest sending that story to a different editor and see if you get the same kind of response, lisa.
PamelaRoss: (prays I have a long ways to go before I become a dying grandma) '}
Dori: Joan, anthropomorphic characters will always be 'in.'
Jaina: Let's hope so, Pamela!
Jaina: :)
NOTE: :) is a sideways smilie face
PamelaRoss: {}
NOTE: {} is a "hug"
LisaS: for me, an animal works when you need your mc to have freedom that a child wouldn't
Deb: indeed:)
Verla: actually, it's NOT an automatic "no" to write about animals, joan. What matters is what those animals are saying and doing. :-)
Jaina: What I meant was, it seems to affect people deeply, but it also seems to be the 1st thing new authors think to write about.
PamelaRoss: A dying elder is typically the first brush with melodrama a child experiences... but probably doesn't make for the perkiest picture book <g>
Jaina: I know, I'll write about Grandma dying...
Dori: Jaina, most new writers write about things that have affected them deeply
joanclr: Well, I'm thinking more of non-animals, say a tree or some such
Jaina: Yes, and what seems to have affected them deeply is Grandma.
JKC: Especially nothing too cutesy like Bonnie Beaver and Jerry Jackal.
joanclr: I had heard those were generally frowned upon, but I'm wondering if a good story and characterization coudl rise above that
JKC: Yes, Joanclr.
dystar: it depends on what the animal has to say
Jaina: So many new writers seem to write stories that have been told a million times.
Dori: Joan, a tree or some such isn't anthropmorphic. Talking animals are
Verla: that's a harder "sell" joan, because it's a lot harder to get a reader to care about something that's not alive.
LisaS: The main thing is a child has to be able to connect
JKC: I've heard they really don't like talking inanimate objects.
dystar: "Rocky's Big Adventure"?
Cynthia: unless you're Fergie
Dori: I'd find it hard to relate to a tree, or a toaster, etc
PamelaRoss: I hate talking toasters. <g>
Jaina: I have a friend whose agent was the one who sold The Brave Little Toaster
Jaina: Must be a heck of a salesman. ;)
joanclr: lol
JKC: See, there is ALWAYS an exception.
Verla: most editors don't, jayme, probably because most of those "not-alive" objects don't make the editor "feel"
PamelaRoss: Hehehe
Dori: (Unless your name is Disney)
Verla: I LOVED The Brave Little Toaster movie!
joanclr: This helps, it seems like it has as much of a fighting shot as any - the key is just makign it the best
JKC: Me, too.
Verla: I've watched it a zillion and 8 times at least
Jaina: Inanimate object with faces creep me out.
Jaina: Esp. Jay Jay.
joanclr: Thomas?
PamelaRoss: And yet it works in BEAUTY AND THE BEAST. Go figure.
Jaina: Uh huh
joanclr: lol
Verla: yep. The best AND interesting AND if you can evoke some kind of "feelings" in your readers, you will have the best chance of selling it
PamelaRoss: (Disney's BEAUTY, that is)
Jaina: Beauty was just thankful no servant got turned into the commode.
dystar: that would be John
Jaina: LOl
joanclr: LOL
PamelaRoss: but we are talking about movies... a different context than books
Jaina: Inanimate objects which come alive, in any context, are an aggravation to me.
Deb: I agree Verla...if the editor puts it down and says I LOVED that grandparent story...well, you have a toe in the door
Dori: Your reader has to relate and identify withthe MC
Jaina: I can't think of one I've enjoyed.
Verla: readers might laugh, cry, chuckle, or even just feel "uncomfortable"... but if your readers can't get the story out of their heads when they're done reading it... and it stays with them, then you have a very good chance of selling it to an editor
Dori: It goes back to evoking an emotion in the reader
LisaS: Right - it has to have a spark - something that really makes it stand out
Deb: touch their heart with a book that touches _yours_
Verla: yep, dori
Cynthia: or has them laughing out loud
Verla: something else I heard an editor say once, stayed with me...
Dori: So... write with and about your passions
kpickle: what Verla......
Dori: ... and...
Cynthia: we
Cynthia: are waiting
Verla: she said, "I see a lot of books that emulate a famous author. Why would I want to buy a book that is just as good as one written by Jane Yolen, (for instance) when I could buy one written BY Jane Yolen?"
Dori: (type faster, verla)
Deb: lol!! so true
Jaina: I heard that from an editor last summer too, Verla.
Dori: True
kpickle: hmmm good point
Verla: If you want to sell your book, it needs to be written as ONLY YOU could write it
Verla: (that's your "voice")
Jaina: She said half the mss. she got were trying to be Owl Moon
NOTE: mss = manuscripts
JKC: Snort.
Cynthia: quiet is a hard sell, even for Jane Yolen
JKC: Quiet is boring for me to try and write. I love humor.
Dori: Well, it all sounds discouraging... but the thing is... write what you know... write with a passion... and tell a story only you can tell
dystar: that works for all books
Verla: Well, different people like a lot of different kinds of books, which is VERY good for those of us who want to write and sell them. :-)
PamelaRoss: And even Jane Yolen has a hard time selling. It's a very, very competitive industry.
Verla: yes, it certainly is, pamela!
Dori: I heard from the Peachtree editor that they get 20,000 mss per year to read. They might publish 20. That's a lot of rejections
JKC: I think I know the answers, but why are PB's such a hard sell now when we have a new generation up and coming?
Verla: but new writers are getting accepted EVERY day, so even though it's a definite "up-hill" climb... it CAN be reached if you are willing to stick with it long enough - and keep working to perfect your stories.
joanclr: Wow Dori
dystar: they are expensive to print
JKC: yep...and...
joanclr: it's all the celebrities, Jayme ;)
Verla: I know one person who finally got accepted after trying for 14 years
Cynthia: there aren't as many kids in the pb age right now
dystar: and expensive to buy
JKC: There will be in 2 to 3 years.
Deb: and if you look at bestseller lists for pb's alot of them are books that parents got as kids, that their parents got as kids...
dystar: yes, nostalgia sells
Cynthia: dick and jane
JKC: Hmmm...good point, Deb.
Deb: not to say there are not new bestsellers and that all books need to be top ten
dystar: Dr. Seuss is still hot
Verla: publishing industry goes in "waves" jayme. Right now the crest is on mid-grade and YA novels. In a year or five, the "wave" will come back to picture books. It's always been that way, and probably will always be that way.
Dori: Editors like to work with new authors. They love to discover new authors. So keep a positive attitude and just do the best you can do
Deb: but...
JKC: Waves, Verla. That's interesting.
Verla: and every editor looks at each new manuscript hoping to find the next JK Rowlings. :-)
dystar: so, perfect your pb's, then wait for the next wave?
Deb: (but... wasn't to was deb losing a thought:)
Cynthia: oh, pick me! ;-)
Verla: perfect it, and keep submitting it, dy. The BEST thing that can happen is for YOUR book to BECOME the "next wave"
dystar: I keep wondering if the editors who rejected her are still kicking themselves
Dori: right, dystar. Also know that different editors are looking for different things. Try to know the market
Deb: I would like a ride on that wave too!
Verla: think of Dr. Seuss and his books... or RL Stein, or JK Rowlings.
PamelaRoss: Waiting for the wave... better learn how to surf..
Deb: LOL!! you are right...become the next wave!
Deb: surf? like with a board?
joanclr: or a mouse ;)
PamelaRoss: <g>
Deb: he he
Verla: try to think "outside" the box with picture books
Jaina: You said it.
Verla: go to your library and look at "books in Print"
Dori: For instance... here's a tip.. Peachtree is looking for picture books that will fit into the school markets... besides being a good story, is there something in the ms that will promote discussion of a meatier subject?
JKC: Shiver. I'm outside. Someone let me in!
Verla: check the subject index for picture books and see what books are out there now
PamelaRoss: Verla, do your books get a long shelf life because they are "historical" in nature?
Jaina: It's good to be outside.
Jaina: I'm not letting you in.
JKC: :)
Jaina: I can't--Verla took the key from under the mat, anyway.
Verla: look for subjects that are "missing altogether" from the index or that have only outdated, old picture books covering them
Cynthia: when you say outside the box, that makes me think of Don't Let the Pigeon Ride the Bus, but do you mean something different?
Verla: I think that's one reason they are staying in print, pamela (the historical aspect). They will never be "out of date!"
PamelaRoss: Bingo.
Dori: Time to sign off. Nice chatting, everyone. Good luck with your writing. I wish you all success!
JKC: Thanks Dori.
Verla: I mean try to think of something that you haven't seen but that you think kids (and parents) would love to read about
PamelaRoss: Hi and good night Dori. Good to see you !
Deb: Thanks Dori...
LisaS: Night Dori, thanks for sharing!
Verla: thanks for your input, dori! Before you go...
Cynthia: thanks, Dori
JKC: I need to work on my endings now that I'm outside.
Verla: can you tell us what your published (and future) book titles are, dori?
Deb: This has been so great! Feeling reinvigorated towards two languishing pb's..thanks
Verla: a lot of getting accepted with picture books is luck, too.
dystar: right book at the right time
Deb: (JKC...hasn't anyone let you in yet...should I wrestle someone for key?)
JKC: You said it, Verla. Luck!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Dori: Verla, I have 7 books coming out in the next 3 years... from Viking, Carolrhoda, Albert Whitman, Peachtree, etc
Verla: Having your manuscript read by JUST the right editor at JUST the right time, has a lot to do with it
JKC: Seven!
Verla: can you tell us their titles, dori?
JKC: Wow!
LisaS: Dori, our library has a snow book display out right now, and there you were! Or your book rather. :)
dystar: wow, dori
PamelaRoss: Wow, Dori-- 7? Hurrah 4 U! {{}
joanclr: Cool Dori!
Dori: I'm too tired right now to list titles. But I appreciate the interest
Verla: and how many are already published, dori?
Dori: Verla, there are five published
dystar: do you have a website, dori?
Deb: Dori! that is great! Love your books your style....more to add to favrourite list
Dori: Check Amazon... Dori Chaconas. If I were really with it tonight, I could give you titles, etc, but I'm an old lady, and it's past my bedtime!!! lol
Verla: LOL dori
PamelaRoss: Stop that {}
Dori: dystar, I don't have a website
Dori: I wish you all a blessed Christmas. Keep writing, and write your passions, and you'll be published
PamelaRoss: That would be ... perfect. {}
Dori: Sweet dreams
joanclr: Godonight Dori
joanclr: oops Goodnight*
Verla: OH man! Our time is UP!
JKC: Boo hiss!
Cynthia: Night, night
Verla: This has been a really GOOD discussion, I think.
dystar: party time!
PamelaRoss: Great discussion, all
Deb: Night all! This was so inspiring..thanks for hosting us Verla. Definately a GOOD disc.
Verla: Does anyone have any last burning questions or comments they want to add before we "officially" close this ProTalk Discussion?
Deb: no
JKC: Not me. I'm still outside.
Deb: LOL!!!!!
Deb: i would let you in!!!!
dystar: pressing nose against the window
JKC: Let me in, Jaina.
JKC: Knock...knock.
Jaina: I'm not in! I'm out, too.
Jaina: I like being out. In is boring.
Deb: okay...there has to be a story there.."Let me in...NOW."
Verla: I think the most important thing to remember is to be ORIGINAL in your story, your style of writing, and your plot line... and to write the very best you can. Don't send it out right away, you can almost ALWAYS find words, lines, sentences to improve if you let a story "sit" for a little while first.
JKC: At some point, you must let it out into the world, however.
Verla: and whatever you do, if you truly believe in a story NEVER NEVER NEVER give up on it!
JKC: Be passionate.
Verla: (I'm speaking of a couple of weeks to a month, jayme)
Verla: yes. Evoke emotions in your readers
Verla: And that will officially "end" this discussion, folks. PARTY TIME!
Log file closed at: 12/21/04 7:07:01 PM

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