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Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« on: October 02, 2012, 05:07 PM »
Has anyone here taken Cheryl Klein's one day master class or her 8 week online class on Plot and Structure? I've signed up for it and she has sent us our first assignment. We are to make a Bookmap of our rough draft. So, it appears that this is a revision class. I'd like to work on my wip during the 8 weeks but it's only going to be about halfway finished by the time the class begins.

No matter what, I'm going to take the class. But I'm wondering if I'm going to run into problems with having only half a draft and a synopsis.

Thoughts or suggestions, anyone?
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 07:22 PM »
I haven't taken the class but have read her book which I thoroughly enjoyed.  I'm firing a question back at'cha. I googled her online classes and did not get the website/info....zip.  Where did you access it? Thanks!

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 08:06 PM »
I would like to know where to find info. about the online classes, too.  I would love to find a good online class about plot and structure.

Sorry I can't answer your question, though!

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 08:31 PM »
Jennifer DG, I tweeted at her to ask if it needs to be a completed ms., or if it's better to be at a more flexible stage. She replied that completed is better, but some writers have taken it with an unfinished ms. and found it helpful. (I'm kind of between WsIP now.)

I intended to take her course myself, but when I went to register for it, IT FILLED while I was looking at the screen. Unbestinkinglievable.  :faint

I'd love to know what you thought of the course, if you feel like posting when it's over. She just seems extremely sharp from everything I've seen.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 09:20 PM »
Unbestinkinglievable.  :faint
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 12:34 AM »
I'd love to get in on these, too. Have you listened to her podcasts? (with James Monohan) I listened to the latest one on ensemble characters, and it was really informative and fun. And FREE :) http://www.narrativebreakdown.com

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 06:06 AM »
 :eyeballs: I'm sneaking in and stealing the word "unbestinkinglievable".....will use it regularly.  (Slithers off with the word in her paws.)

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 06:36 AM »
I took the one day class and she said her book map is ideal for after you've completed a first draft, but before you begin revisions. (And I did book map a 2nd draft for that one day class) I'm planning on book mapping the entire WIP I'm working on once it's complete.

I stopped at about page 100 of this WIP and went back and book mapped and did a partial revision because I got off track. And that helped. So, I'd say take the course. The information is so valuable and you're professional enough to know how to apply this once your ms is complete. She is incredibly smart and savvy. Very left-brained and analytical in ways which were hard for me - but I guess the thing to remember is she gives you a somewhat prescriptive way to book map but then you'll find you take it and make it your own. At least that's what I'm finding.

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 12:22 PM »
Scribblegirl and Becky, I think the class is filled, but here's the link:
http://wdu.register.fwmedia.com/Course?CourseId=1400-1

For those who didn't get into the class, I am sorry. I feel so lucky and grateful to be able to do this. As mentioned, her blog is chock full of great information and it was on her Facebook page that I heard about the class. I'm sure there'll be other classes.

So, thanks for all your answers. Looks like I've got two options: I could work my butt off and get a good chunk of writing (and bookmapping) done on my new wip between now and the end of November when the class starts; or I could pull out an old, completed ms from under my bed and use it to learn the techniques Cheryl is teaching.

Right now I lean toward writing like a maddog on the wip. Put the coffee on, please!
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 12:32 PM »
I took the one day class and she said her book map is ideal for after you've completed a first draft, but before you begin revisions. (And I did book map a 2nd draft for that one day class) I'm planning on book mapping the entire WIP I'm working on once it's complete.

I stopped at about page 100 of this WIP and went back and book mapped and did a partial revision because I got off track. And that helped. So, I'd say take the course. The information is so valuable and you're professional enough to know how to apply this once your ms is complete. She is incredibly smart and savvy. Very left-brained and analytical in ways which were hard for me - but I guess the thing to remember is she gives you a somewhat prescriptive way to book map but then you'll find you take it and make it your own. At least that's what I'm finding.

Sounds awesome!

Great and helpful information, JRo! She has already sent the instructions on how to bookmap and it does sound somewhat prescriptive, as you say. I know she has all of her authors do this, but the books I've read never seem prescriptive at all. I'm excited and optimistic to give this a try. Sounds like it's working for you.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2012, 03:12 PM »
Jennifer, I'm registered for the class and in the same boat as you. Hoping to work like mad to be finished or almost by then, unless my PB deadline gets in the way.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2012, 05:09 PM »
Hey, Stephanie, I'm glad I'm not going to be alone.

I'll PM you and we can cheer each other on.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2012, 12:54 AM »
I'll be in the class too. Can't wait!

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2012, 09:10 AM »
Sounds awesome! I wish I'd heard about it sooner. Good luck to those enrolled!

Anyone using her book to help with the class?

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 01:52 PM »
Anybody taking the class that starts in March?

Cassandra and I are both enrolled.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2013, 03:22 PM »
I told my husband that this is what I want for my 40th bday gift.  He thinks I'm nuts, but I know you BBers would understand.  So, I hope to enroll very soon!  Would be such an amazing opportunity.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 03:36 PM »
I hope it works out!
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 06:03 PM »
I signed up!

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2013, 01:12 PM »
Registering now!   :yay
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2013, 01:22 PM »
Yay!!  It's a party!!
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2013, 05:34 PM »
It's been a very long time since I've posted on the blue boards, but I wanted to say that I've signed up for the class too. Can't wait! I would love to hear about people's experience from the fall. Does she interact a lot with the participants or is it more of a one-way instruction?

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2013, 06:11 PM »
 :poker  Just want to be included in this thread!  :grin3
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2013, 06:46 PM »
Have fun, Blue Boarders. I hope you learn a lot!
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2013, 07:57 PM »
I really want to take this course, but have a question for anyone who's taken it already.

It's bad timing for me, and I may not be able to get my homework done one week. I could catch up later, but she looks pretty limber. Does she ever don a black ski mask and lower herself through your study ceiling by dark of night to check on your book map? Is the course structured in such a way that I wouldn't cause either Cheryl or other students a problem if I didn't quite keep up one week?
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2013, 08:27 AM »
Do you work from the start plotting or do you have to have a rough draft that you rework?

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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2013, 08:35 AM »
My understanding is that it is better to have a rough draft already, but I don't know if that's a requirement or a suggestion.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2013, 10:07 AM »
Her recent blog post states that her intention would be students work from a completed draft to help with the revision process, but she also said that a few past students have taken it without a completed manuscript and it has helped them move forward.

My goal is to have a completed draft (lump of clay) so I can use the class to help me work through revisions. 
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2013, 10:09 AM »
Dewsanddamps....you could post your question on her blog right now.  There are others asking questions about the course and she's answering them.  http://chavelaque.blogspot.com/
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2013, 10:46 AM »
I considered taking the March class but I have so much going on during that time ...
I'd love to hear what all you think of it when you're done.
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Re: Cheryl Klein's online writing class - Plotting & Structure
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2013, 10:49 AM »
I really want to take this course, but have a question for anyone who's taken it already.

It's bad timing for me, and I may not be able to get my homework done one week. I could catch up later, but she looks pretty limber. Does she ever don a black ski mask and lower herself through your study ceiling by dark of night to check on your book map? Is the course structured in such a way that I wouldn't cause either Cheryl or other students a problem if I didn't quite keep up one week?

I took this course in the fall and highly recommend it. When I signed up, I thought I'd have a very rough draft of a new novel ready to work from, but that didn't pan out. I felt that my other novel was too far beyond a first draft to use for the class. So I wasn't in an ideal place book-wise and I almost backed out because of it. I worried about making a bad impression on Cheryl and not getting the full benefit of the course. I also worried about keeping up with the class since it fell over the holidays and I was going to be simultaneously finishing a revision request for an agent. HOWEVER, I stayed in and am so glad I did. (Although at that time it wasn't clear whether she'd offer the course again. If I'd known that I may have waited until this spring session.)

The lessons are presented as written outlines that you can read at your own leisure. Every week's lesson is available from the start so you could double up one week, or even read them all in one week if you wanted to. There is a discussion board for posting questions and Cheryl is very responsive, but she doesn't check up on you to make sure you're doing the work. She's also very clear about every writer being different and having different needs/methods that work best for them, and that you shouldn't feel like her plot and revision techniques are rules to be followed strictly. There are a lot of assignments that come with the class and it can feel like a lot of busywork, but again she emphasizes that everything is meant to be a helpful tool and she doesn't check to make sure people are keeping up.

I fell behind in the class as I was afraid I would, but I still found it tremendously helpful. I've saved all her lectures and took notes on the discussions. The assignments that I've completed were incredibly enlightening. I plan to reference the materials when I do have that first draft ready to work from.

I will also add that I have two friends who took the course who had recently finished first drafts and were preparing for revisions--exactly the place Cheryl recommends you should be in when you take the course. As helpful as I found the class, I think they both found it leaps and bounds MORE helpful because it gave them immediate guidance and inspiration for their projects at hand. A path forward to forge through their revisions. (Although I know one friend also found the workload overwhelming and intimidating.)

If you've read and like her book SECOND SIGHT, you will definitely like the class. And if you're not able to take the class and haven't read SECOND SIGHT, definitely read her book!


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