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StacyLynn

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"Naughty" children poems
« on: January 07, 2009, 03:35 PM »
Here's one of my worries while I am thinking of it......

One of my poems features a child who has stuck something up her sister's nose.  Naughty girl.  But it happens in real life.
Luckily my own two children haven't been quite so creative with small objects and their bodily orifices, but as a preschool teacher I have heard quite a few stories. 

I worry that as writers, if we write a poem or a story where a character behaves in a "questionable manner", are we responsible if after reading our work , a child goes off and tries the same thing?

It's not like the children in my poems are jumping off of bridges or playing in traffic... ( I know where to draw the line) but they do sometimes get into mischief.  Maybe these poems need to go into that same drawer with the poems where children are picking their nose.....     

I was a very well behaved child, but it seems as a full fledged grown-up I am beginning to rebel.  Help.  I don't want to be responsible for dozens of children ending up in their doctor's office with a needle nose pliers up their nose.

What do you do with these types of poems and dilemmas?

Stacy  :-X




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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2009, 04:23 PM »

I wouldn't worry about it, Stacy. I think what you're describing is pretty minor mischief, and probably appropriate to the targeted age.

Fiction for kids (stories or poems) gives them a chance to vicariously explore or experience things, and they are actually pretty smart about knowing what's OK and what isn't. Also, overly sanitized stuff is boring.

There is a long tradition of badly behaved children--think of the bunch in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, or those German fairy tales based on misbehaving kids (can't think of the name right now). And plenty of books have explored things like lying, stealing, bullying, etc., and even worse at the YA level.

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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2009, 04:32 PM »
I agree.  Children in poems I've read have put frogs in their backpacks, had a food fight, and worse... Children like naughty!  And some may even try it.
We watched A Christmas Story over the holidays, and my (very smart) nine year old decided to stick his tongue to the pole of the Stop sign! Thankfully it didn't stick! (his little sister tattled on him...)
And speaking of sticking things up noses, my daughter stuck a plastic craft googley eye up her nose and got it stuck.  I almost took her to the emergency room but she eventually sneezed it out!  I asked her why she did it.  Her answer, "To be funny."
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2009, 05:49 PM »
Thanks Diane and Kelly.

 I LOL about your children's "experiments".  I seem to remember my older son trying the tongue on the pole thing too. His stuck.....

I guess I need to lighten up a bit.  Maybe I will just save all of these types of poems for a hopeful future collection.

Happy writing,

Stacy

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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2009, 05:58 PM »
And speaking of sticking things up noses, my daughter stuck a plastic craft googley eye up her nose and got it stuck.  I almost took her to the emergency room but she eventually sneezed it out!  I asked her why she did it.  Her answer, "To be funny."
Hah, I remember back when my youngest brother was around 6 and I found him sitting on the couch looking upset. He'd found some little round beads, and stuck one up each nostril. I made sure he could breathe and wasn't panicking, then found my parents who called the pediatrician, but luckily managed to get him to blow them out. I asked him what happened, and he said he didn't know. He was "just holding them, like this" and he held out his palm. "And then, they just went in there!"  :dr

I agree that you shouldn't worry too much about minor mischief, though.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2009, 05:59 PM »
Have you seen Linda Ashman's M IS FOR MISCHIEF: An A to Z of Naughty Children. It is winning lots of awards.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2009, 06:30 PM »
I used to have a book of stories about naughty kids by Enid Blyton. Loved it.

I've seen some naughty poems in Cricket and Spider magazines so you might want to try them.
Or pitch them as a collection to Wordsong, Roaring Brook (or is it Millbrook)?

Good luck.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 08:16 AM »
It's comforting to know that there is a community of writers out there.   :grouphug2  Thanks for your stories and encouragement. 

Vijaya, I just checked out your website and loved the quotes you collected. Here are a few of my favorites...

     Follow your inner moonlight; don't hide the madness. - Allen Ginsberg,   
     Many of life’s failures are people who did not realize how close they were to success when they gave up. -Thomas Alva Edison,   
     Only those that risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.  - T.S. Eliot


Jill thanks for the link to Linda Ashman's book, I will have to check it out of the library.  Chicago Public Library system has finally caught up with the suburban library system and we can now reserve books on-line.  I also followed the link to your blog and really appreciated the quote you shared from Alvina Ling. Very inspiring, as is your blog.

I wish I could go to Highlights Chatauqua writing retreat.... Has anyone every attended?  If I had one big workshop or class that I could afford to do in a year, would this be the one to do?  I also noticed that they offer individual week long workshops with writers and poets like Rachel Kai Dotlich... and then of course there's SCBWI conferences.... which I haven't attended.  Everything costs $$$.   Well I can hope and plan for the future... just curious if anyone out there has gone to any of the above and would recommend one over the other...  Well I gotta run and take my son to school.

Have a great day,

Stacy

 

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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 10:04 AM »
Thanks StacyLynn.....good luck with your poems.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 02:54 PM »
Thank you, Stacy. If you can afford to go to Chautauqua or one of their workshops, go. They also have scholarships available, too. It is a valuable investment.

Good luck,
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2009, 04:21 PM »
I've written stuff about kids who flush their mothers jewelry down the toilet, shove things up their noses, and color on the walls with a markers. Children have to be able to relate to your characters. Anyway, a responsible parent should read through a book (or magazine) before buying it for their child. If it bothers them or they think it might create bad behavior for their child, they won't buy it. I don't think you would be held personally responsible for a child's bad behavior.

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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2011, 01:02 PM »
One of my very favorite poems is Shel Silverstein's 'Sarah Cynthia Sylvia Stout Would Not Take The Garbage Out'.

I think if you read through the wonderful 'Where The Sidewalk Ends' you'll find no shortage of naughty characters. And we naughty (formerly) children, love him for creating them.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2011, 05:45 AM »
I agree that there's a place for poems depicting children doing mischievous deeds, and many wonderful poems do just that.  It's worth pointing out, though, that this is not the kind of thing that some of the best children's magazines are likely to publish.  Highlights, for example, thinks very carefully about whether a given poem models undesirable behavior, and will not publish it if there is a chance it may.   I'm less familiar with the other top magazines, but my sense is that they would have a similar attitude. 

Say what you will about responsible parents, it's just as true that a responsible parent would rather be able to trust the editors 100% than feel the need to pre-read everything that their child might see, which is pretty hard to do since children find these magazines in school libraries and may subscribe to them at home.  Even if a parent could pre-read everything, what's a parent who doesn't like a given poem to do?  Blacken it out with a magic marker at home and leave instructions with the school librarian that Johnny is not to see page 27 of Highlights?  It's just not practical. Responsible parents only subscribe to magazines whose editorial standards are acceptable to them and are reliable enough that there's no need to pre-read everything. 

I think if we're talking about collections to be published in books, it's a whole other story.  Many wonderful collections depict conduct that the magazines would not feel comfortable depicting.  But I wouldn't waste my time sending such poems to most of the top magazines. 

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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2011, 12:20 PM »
Bob is absolutely right.  Also, I think he may have hit on a great way to increase interest in a book or magazine ---- start marking out random passages with a black felt tip pen!  Everyone will want to read it.  Either that or name your main character something like, oh say, 'Charlie Sheen' and voila!  Instant readers.

No, seriously, Bob is right.  Magazines work hard to provided reading material parents do not have to worry about.
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Re: "Naughty" children poems
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2011, 04:09 PM »
You can tell by my picture that I have kids that are the perfect age for shoving things up their nose...but that is for another day.  I think that I am on the other side of the fence with naughty poems.  Most of the examples of poems mentioned above have extreme examples of behavior.  Trash reaching up to the ceiling and the like.  Kids food fighting or frogs in backpacks don't land kids at the doctor's office.  If you do include something that could possibly be dangerous, you might want to make it outlandish, so kids can laugh at the silly kid, not get ideas.  Have them stick a worm up their nose or something so crazy no kid would actually do it, but it seems feasible to do.  To be honest, I think that if I saw a book with that behavior (realistic, not outlandish), I think I would question whether to buy it.  I'm sorry to say that.  I would still write what you love to write and hope that there are other moms that are not so uptight.   :ha
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