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« on: June 24, 2008, 09:32 AM »

I know this is a really random question, so I don't necessarily expect to get an answer, but I know some people here have written non-fiction about bugs.

Would it be appropriate to say in a humorous poem that ants don't sleep? I've read that they probably rest for a few minutes at a time and that they tend to go into a lower activity mode in the winter, but they don't sleep like mammals do.

Can I generalize and say that ants work all day and night (without sleeping) in order to highlight how busy and industrious they are (compared to mammals)?

I'd appreciate any advice. Again, I know this is a sort of strange question.

thanks,

Diana

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« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2008, 11:01 AM »

Oh where oh where is SimplyFi
Oh where oh where can she be?
She would know the answer to this...
Oh where oh where can she be?

Alternately, contact a government office or a pest management company and find out from them....

Maude  Dancing Broccoli
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« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2008, 12:38 PM »

Well, myrmecology is the scientific study of ants, so you could look up a myrmecologist for help -- but I'll bet an entomologist would know, too.
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2008, 12:44 PM »

Diana,
Not only do they sleep, they have recurring nightmares about being stepped on. 

Seriously, I think they sleep or rest for short intervals - not the full eight hours.  It just seems like they don't sleep because different members of the colony work in shifts - so someone is always working while someone else is sleeping. 

 
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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2008, 12:47 PM »

from the University of Texas in Dallas:  http://www.utdallas.edu/~bam043000/antfaq.html

"Do ants sleep? Yes, they take shifts. Some will sleep while others work. Colonies also hibernate when it gets cold, and the colony will have little to no activity during this time. "
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« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2008, 01:33 PM »

LOL, Maude!  Thanks for the vote of confidence.  I do know a lot of useless facts (I try and stave off the Cliff Claven tendencies ;^), but I'm not an entomologist.   I do become a temporary expert on the subjects I write about, though, so I know more than you'd ever care to know about honeypot ants, but as to whether ants sleep?  Nope...beyond my temporariness, I'm afraid. 

A suggestion from a research junkie...  When looking for something specific like this it can be a needle-in-a-haystacky experience to search for "ants" and try and wade through the wealth of material to find the quirky piece of info you're after.  Try something really specific in the search engines...multiple word phrases (all inside quotes), even the exact question you have .  "Do ants sleep?" for example, will zero in on web pages with that specific info.  You still have to figure out which sites are *reliable*, but it narrows down the field considerably.

Ooo, ~wren, "myrmecology"?  ...a new 'ology' to add to the list.  Thanks!

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2008, 01:50 PM »

(page7, very funny!  rolling laugh )

Thanks for helping me out, guys. Based on my research and your comments it sounds like there's probably too much grey area (or might even be plain wrong) for me to claim they don't sleep.

I had a feeling it was an issue.

And thanks for the additional tips too.

-Diana    Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2008, 02:58 PM »

Yes, they sleep. I looked up the same question when I wrote a picture book which was a lullaby for ants.
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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2008, 03:31 PM »

Oh, so that's the trick! Sing them to sleep...

Well, I was going to compare ants to beavers and joke that ants were even busier but sounds to me like they're lazy bastards!
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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2008, 07:23 PM »

Well, I was going to compare ants to beavers and joke that ants were even busier but sounds to me like they're lazy bastards!


They can haul rubber tree plants.  They're not lazy.  If you hauled a rubber tree plant, you'd need 40 winks too.  I think you have some leeway here, though.  Keep tinkering.  I'm sure there's some wording that will work, without offending beavers, ants, or any other species.     
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« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2008, 12:27 AM »

Oh buglady... where are you? 
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« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2008, 08:01 PM »

page 7 - Yes, I'm not too far into it so I have lots of wiggle room.

And for the record, if I did end up going with a fact like that, I would do a more methodical fact check for the final version. Just in case anybody thought this is how I gather information for writing non-fiction. smile

Thanks again to everybody for the help. I love this board!
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« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2008, 11:18 PM »

Technically, ants don't sleep. Sleep, as scientists define it, is reserved for warm-blooded animals (ie, birds and mammals). They aren't constantly in motion, but their brains don't do whatever it is that mammals' and birds' brains do that qualifies as sleep (I think it has to do with the loss of consciousness to the environment). Scientists don't really know why we need sleep, except that it may have something to do with the energy involved with being warm-blooded, since only warm-blooded animals do it.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2008, 11:58 PM »

you can google ants sleep and find all sorts of stuff

I just saw one thing said ants don't have eyelids .. so the ants in my book don't shut their eyes smile  But my story is not non-fiction or anything close to it ... so I have wiggle room.

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« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2008, 09:17 PM »

From what I read, it seems that it's impossible to really test whether their behavior qualifies as "sleeping" because any attempt to measure their tiny brain waves would disrupt their regular activity. It also depends on your definition of "sleep".

But for fiction, I think it makes more sense to refer to them as sleeping, since the only alternative would be to go into a technical explanation.

Kay, I also read that they didn't have eyelids which I thought was really interesting. I mean, of course they don't have eyelids, but until I looked into this, I never gave it any thought.

That's another thing I love about this business. You learn about so many interesting and unusual topics.

-Diana
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« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2009, 07:55 AM »

I just came across this.

I don't know if ants sleep, but I've been having sleepless night about ants.  My last work was about the little devils and this was a dilemma for me.
Did you ever find out the answer?
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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2009, 12:28 PM »

Don't know how I missed this a year ago.

TEchinically, ants don't sleep, but when you order them through the mail to furnish an ant farm, you are instructed to put them in the fridge for a few minutes to make them "sleepy" before opening the vial of stinging ants.  The cold just makes them slower-moving, though.  Works like a charm on moths, too, if you're trying to get a good photo of one.

Hope you were able to get the answer you needed!


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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2009, 11:11 PM »

Wow! What a blast from the past! I wasn't expecting to see anymore replies to this one. smile

Thanks, Liana (aka buglady). You were the first person I thought of when I posted this.

I ended up changing the story a bit so it wasn't an issue. But I may revisit the original concept.

That's interesting about the refrigerator trick!
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