Workshop with Agent Rebecca Sherman of Writer's House - 9/27/05

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NOTE: Rebecca asked me to post a general disclaimer that she had to type fast, so there are grammar errors, lack of capitalization, punctuation and an overall casual computer tone in this transcript. (NOTE from Verla Kay: In other words - and I know this will come as a terrible shock to some of you - she's just as human as everyone else!)

Log file opened at: 9/27/05
Verla: okay folks... we are about ready to start...
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Workshop with Agent Rebecca Sherman IN PROGRESS... Welcome!
Verla: I'd like to introduce our workshop leader tonight...
Verla: Rebecca Sherman has been working with Writers House, LLC for four years.  She began by assisting Susan Cohen and now represents clients of her own in addition to working with Susan’s clients.  Rebecca enjoys working editorially as well as handling “business” aspects of a client’s career. 
Verla: She is actively seeking authors and is particularly interested in middle grade and YA novels which authentically portray modern tween and/or teen life.  Books that make her laugh or that depict ethnically or regionally diverse characters are a top priority.  Occasionally, Rebecca considers picture book submissions.  Author/illustrators are encouraged to submit.
Verla: Growing up, Rebecca was particularly fond of There’s a Monster at the End of this Book, Miss Nelson is Missing, Tuck Everlasting and The Westing Game.  After completing an undergraduate degree with a Major in English at Northwestern University, Rebecca put aside the likes of Virginia Woolf. 
Verla: Nowadays, Rebecca almost exclusively reads books for children and young adults.  Recent favorites include Punk Farm by Jarrett Krosoczka, Ida B by Katherine Hannigan, The Series of Unfortunate Events, and The Key to the Golden Firebird by Maureen Johnson.
Verla: Thank you SO much for coming tonight, Rebecca!
RebeccaShe: Thanks for having me!
Verla: here are the "rules" for tonight's workshop...
Verla: Welcome to our Workshop. Tonight we will be using a special moderated session. You will not be able to talk in the chat room until it is your turn. When a PLUS sign (+) is by your name, or it changes color, it will be your turn to post your question
Verla: Or when you have sunglasses on your smilie...
Verla: Please have your questions typed and ready to post. We will go in alphabetical order, with latecomers and people who didn't ask a question during their turn at the end. We'll fit as many questions in as we can before the end of the workshop.
Verla: And Rebecca has graciously agreed to stay late if necessary, so everyone will have time for their questions!
Verla: Please do not ask personal questions about a manuscript you have sent or want to send to Rebecca. Those questions should be asked privately, not during this workshop session. "Generic" questions of interest to everyone are fine to ask. Thank you
RebeccaShe: I was just about to say that, Verla
Verla: Heh heh... That's a "given" for our workshops, Rebecca
Verla: Okay... is there anything you would like to mention before we start the Q&A, Rebecca?
RebeccaShe: No, I think the general v. specific comment covers it
RebeccaShe: oh- that I can only speak for myself not for all agents
RebeccaShe: so the general / specific applies there too
Verla: okay...
Verla: let's start then
Verla: If you don't have a question when I call your name, please type NONE
Verla: so I can go on to the next person
Andi: Rebecca, how do you feel about novels in verse?
RebeccaShe: they're tricky
RebeccaShe: when they work they're marvelous--like Sonya Sones
RebeccaShe: but I tell all authors not to follow trends in themes or styles
RebeccaShe: if it comes naturally go for it
RebeccaShe: but in my recent experience, a lot of editors bought up novels in verse and now it's harder to get them through
Andi: thanks!
RebeccaShe: you're welcome
Dawnelle: It was mentioned that you will consider picture book ms~ what are you looking for and/or not looking for?
RebeccaShe: picture books now need to read like mini novels with a main character, conflict and story arc
RebeccaShe: I'm not looking for "mood pieces"
RebeccaShe: a lot of the picture books that were read to me when I was a kid wouldn't fly now
RebeccaShe: but there were great ones too--like Where the Wild Things Are, The Stupids...things like that
Dawnelle: Thank you!
RebeccaShe: I look for humor for any age
Verla: (Rebecca... if you will use elipses when you aren't through talking...
Verla: then I'll know when to start the next person)
RebeccaShe: will do V
elle: Can you please talk about your preferences for YA novels? Do you enjoy specific genres, or avoid others? Or is there any books you are currently excited about?- (clients of yours included please!)
RebeccaShe: Agents and editors usually don't want to rule out anything that might be great...
RebeccaShe: but I'm most interested in realistic depictions of modern high school years...
RebeccaShe: I don't mind edgy fiction...
RebeccaShe: and I am always looking for books that make me feel and laugh...
RebeccaShe: most of the time I don't connect to subgenres within YA...
RebeccaShe: like SF and fantasy or mystery or historical...
RebeccaShe: but there are exceptions...like LULU DARK CAN SEE THROUGH WALLS which I represented which is a teen novel and mystery
elle: thank you!
Guest: Hi Rebecca, do you prefer to have prospective clients make revisions before signing them on or do you sign them on and then take them through revision? And why do agents do this differently in your opinion?
RebeccaShe: that's a very good question ...
RebeccaShe: I almost always make PCs go through a revision process...
RebeccaShe: because most of my clients and PCs I talk to are unpublished, it's best to send the most polished draft possible to editors...
Verla: uh... I guess I'm just dense, Rebecca... but what is a PC? (I thought it was a computer!)
RebeccaShe: ALSO (little secret), I like to see how a PC will work with me. Signing someone up for representation, I am offering to rep a career and I want to know that person will be collaborative with me and an editor...revision is a good way to find that out
RebeccaShe: PC= Potential Client (another insider secret)
Verla: :-) Thanks for explaining, Rebecca
Guest: Thanks!
RebeccaShe: you're welcome
RebeccaShe: it also is a computer term, I've heard :)
JanF: On one agent blog I read, an anonymous agent said that a query should always include the first three pages -- do you (personally) like to see a sample with a query?
RebeccaShe: I do like to see a sample...
RebeccaShe: for a picture book, I suggest sending the entire text with a query...
RebeccaShe: for a novel about 10 pages...if your cover letter is enticing, that's great, but an agent isn't going to take you on if they don't connect to your writing...
RebeccaShe: the writing is primary (makes sense, no?)
JanF: yes, perfect sense...thank you kindly.
RebeccaShe: gladly
JoanPaquet: Hi, I was wondering how you feel about status queries - once a partial has been sent in, is there any length of time when you would consider it appropriate for someone to send a followup query?
RebeccaShe: LOL
NOTE: LOL = Laughing Out Loud
RebeccaShe: this is something I want to address...
JoanPaquet: :)
RebeccaShe: and it might be specific to me...
RebeccaShe: I tend to tell people that it takes 6-8 weeks to reply to any phase of correspondence...
RebeccaShe: after that time a nudge can be given via email (for me)...
RebeccaShe: but in my case...the writers who are waiting for a response should know that I see promise in their work...either I'm on the fence or just can't find the time to write the thorough report i'd like to give ...
RebeccaShe: so it may seem nothing's happening...and that's esp. hard for writers since I except e-queries. I'm not ignoring you...you will get a response, but I am busy with my clients and my boss'. I wish I had more time to respond to potential clients in a timely fashion
JoanPaquet: cool, thank you!
Jodi: With the current interest in "edgy" YA do you feel that any subject remains taboo? Can a MC go through a tragic situation without everything being happily resolved in the end?
NOTE: YA = Young Adult novel and MC = Main Character
RebeccaShe: I don't think I would turn down any manuscript for exploring a certain topic...
RebeccaShe: I would turn a manuscript down if the voice/situation did not feel fully explored and/or authentically young adult...
RebeccaShe: so many situations don't have a happy ending...
RebeccaShe: as long as there is a story arc and growth of characters, there is no NEED to resolve at the end...
RebeccaShe: in many situations / manuscripts, I actually feel they lose me at the end because a resolution seems forced
kimmar: can you say why you think novels in verse are harder to push through now? and I'm also curious (sorry if you answered this already) about how many clients you imagine taking on before you feel as though your cup is full.
RebeccaShe: I think that because I have a novel in verse that I think is just as good as some on the market that I am having trouble selling :( ...
RebeccaShe: I don't have a set number that I feel is the perfect amount of clients...
RebeccaShe: I can say that I'd rather work with a manageable amount of quality clients instead of a large number of clients...
RebeccaShe: as an agent, it's important for me to oversee a client's career instead of simply selling a book and then moving on to selling the next person's book...being an advocate for an entire career is more easily done with a smaller roster
lifeonmars: When talking to a potential client, do you like them to be very generic and professional in their correspondence, or to show a little more personality? I get so nervous talking to agents that I always say the same few lines, but sometimes I wonder if I should sound more relaxed, or if this would just seem unprofessional.
RebeccaShe: I definitely want someone who is a mix of professional and personal...
RebeccaShe: I want to be able to tell that a PC takes his or her writing and career seriously...
RebeccaShe: but you're also writing kids or YA books not textbooks, so show some sparkle...
RebeccaShe: I am serious about my career...but I also like to gab about reality tv, books, and all sorts of tween and teen things...
RebeccaShe: NO need to be scared of the agent. I don't bite.
lifeonmars: Thanks. That makes me feel better!
light: Would you consider a ms if it's been shopped around by the writer, and how much "shopping" is too much?
RebeccaShe: you mean if the writer had already sent it to publishers?...
light: yes
RebeccaShe: well...this is a subjective business...and if I read something and connected with it and thought it fit into the market, I would want to rep it and find it the right home...
RebeccaShe: it's very important to discuss past submissions with your agent before representation is offered...in general being open is important...author/agent is a partnership...
RebeccaShe: chances are there are many more places to send a manuscript that an agent knows of...
RebeccaShe: and I most likely know the tastes and interests of various editors at any given house more than a writer does...so it could be sent to a different editor at a house with an honest explanation from an agent that X has seen it before the agent was on the case
LindaJoy: How many (approx) agents are with Writer's House and do most WH agents work in the same building?
RebeccaShe: all agents work in the New York office except for Steven Malk and his assistant, Dana West who work out of San Diego
LindaJoy: thanks -- I knew Steve didn't work there and was curious about others
RebeccaShe: I believe there are about 10 senior agents, 4 junior agents...
RebeccaShe: a foreign rights team and sub rights team
lindsey: You mentioned you like books that make you laugh. What YA books have you either represented or read recently that had this effect of you?
RebeccaShe: Lulu most definitely makes me laugh...
RebeccaShe: this is a great question and now I am totally going blank...
Verla: (we can come back to this in a few minutes, if you want to wait to answer it, Rebecca...)
RebeccaShe: there are parts of Looking for Alaska that make me laugh, Be More Chill...
RebeccaShe: Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants...
RebeccaShe: You Are So Not Invited to My Bat Mitzvah...
lindsey: just that title makes me laugh
RebeccaShe: Carolyn Mackler's books...
RebeccaShe: It lives up to the title...
RebeccaShe: for younger readers, I love Paula Danziger and Roald Dahl and Beverly Cleary
lindsey: thanks rebecca
RebeccaShe: I have a new author that I just signed up named Lisa Railsback that wrote a middle grade
RebeccaShe: that cracks me up
PamelaRoss: Thank you so much for coming here tonight, Rebecca. My question: does the decision to take on a client rest with you or do you consult with other agents at Writer's House? Is it an "I love it" or a "We love it" magic moment?! I would love to hear-- as much as you can comfortably discuss, of course <g>-- how a Writer's House agent decides "This one's for us!" Your turn, please. {{}} (Sorry to be asking a similar question, Linda Joy.
RebeccaShe: the buck stops with me...
RebeccaShe: I can make decisions on whether or not to take on a client...but my colleagues are always willing to discuss a PC with me, if I want to run it by someone else or have a reservation...
RebeccaShe: I know it's not the same AT ALL at a publisher and often have to remind myself of the difference when I'm submitting something I love that might not make it through acquisitions
PamelaRoss: Thanks, Rebecca and I hope more bucks stop your way :}
Robin: Rebecca, do you find MG's harder to sell right now than YA's? What about chapter books?
RebeccaShe: I don't have a ton of experience with chapter books...though there is buzz around Writers House that people are looking for them...then again, we rep Junie...so that may be why editors are coming to us asking about new chapter books...
RebeccaShe: everyone is talking about how hot YA is...
RebeccaShe: but I think a great mg has a pretty good shot of selling...
RebeccaShe: I've never heard an editor say, I can't take this on because mg is a tough market right now...
RebeccaShe: I have heard editors say that about picture books...as I'm sure most of you know
tgseale: How certain are you that you can sell their work before you take on a new client? And do you typically submit your clients' work exclusively or simultaneously?
RebeccaShe: I only take on clients that I am willing to stand by for the long haul...so I am confident about it, though like I said editors are up against more when trying to acquire than I am when I decide to represent...
RebeccaShe: sometimes I submit exclusively and sometimes I submit simultaneously...it depends on timing and if I already know an editor well who has mentioned to me that they are lookiing for the kind of book I have to offer...
RebeccaShe: I am the queen of run-ons tonight. sorry
Verla: Rebecca, If someone has been turned down by another agent at Writer's House, is it okay to sub to you? Also, what if someone has been rejected by you? Can they resubmit another manuscript to you or is that a waste of everyone's time and energy?
RebeccaShe: that's tricky...I would like to think that if an agent at Writers House feels that someone has promise and that I might like their work, they would pass the material on to me directly...
RebeccaShe: but I can't hold all my colleagues accountable for knowing my taste in such detail...
RebeccaShe: I tell Potential Clients to send samples from one project but to mention the best of what they have to offer/are working on in a cover letter...
RebeccaShe: that way if I don't connect wtih the sample but see promise in something else, I can request it...
RebeccaShe: so I would say don't resubmit unless encouraged to do so
Verla: thanks, Rebecca. I'm sure that will help both you and some of your PC's (potential clients)
RebeccaShe: you got the writers house lingo down, Verla
AnneHereti: none
Verla: :-) Rebecca
Brenda: If an agent at Writers House calls an authors work cute and charming, and full of delightful characters but is just taking on few new clients. Does that mean the agent thinks the work is good, and could it be subbed to a different agent on the other coast.
RebeccaShe: LOL-Brenda--if you received personal feedback from Steven, you could ask him if he thought it would be right for me...or vice versa...I would like to think that Steven would pass on something he found promising but didn't have the time for to me
Brenda: Thanks Rebecca, maybe I should ask him. LOL
Della: We all know how tough the picture book market is. How do you feel about easy readers?
RebeccaShe: like I said, I don't know a ton about easy readers and chapter books...because I was mentored by a senior agent (Susan Cohen) I directly learned from the books she sold...and in my experience, the board books and easy readers she sold were adaptations / reformatting of picture books
Mindy: Do you assist your authors with editing and marketing?
RebeccaShe: editing more so than marketing...Writers House doesn't have a marketing dept...the publisher has that money to invest, but I do work on getting the most for my clients that I can in terms of marketing and happily brainstorm and discuss marketing wtih author and editor...
RebeccaShe: I do TONS of editorial work before submission and would happily be involved editorially after a book is bought...but I also respect the author/editor relationship...
RebeccaShe: I don't want to be seen as sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong or like I need to serve as a middleman between author and editor
kittypye: Do you ever rep poetry?
RebeccaShe: with the exception of novels in verse and children's poetry for picture book or collection (which is even harder to sell than the average picture book!) writers house does not represent poetry, we also do not rep plays or screenplays though we rep film rights for books we agent
RebeccaShe: and tv and theatrical rts
Robin: Can you be bribed with chocolate? Milk or semi-sweet? Low carb?
RebeccaShe: lol- I cannot be bribed- a talented writer and someone who is collaborative are the sweetest rewards...though a client once sent cookies, milk and chocolate milk from LA...which was VERY nice...but it also speaks to the kind of person she is.
Robin: hehe
julie: How would you describe your taste in picture books?
RebeccaShe: that's SO difficult because I am slowly dipping my foot into those waters...
RebeccaShe: I can tell you that of course I love Dr. Seuss and Maurice Sendak and Mo Wilems
RebeccaShe: I also love the work of Jarrett Krosoczka whose picture books you should all check out
julie: Thanks, and thanks for your time today.
light: If a PC (see how with it I am?) has an offer from a major house, does that make them more appealing to you, or less so because the decision has to be made relatively quickly, or does it have no effect at all?
Verla: great question, light!
RebeccaShe: I do understand the need for urgency when an offer is already on the table...
RebeccaShe: I can't make my decision based on the offer though...
RebeccaShe: In these cases I try to get as much of the author's material and respond to it asap...
RebeccaShe: of course I am not going to go through a lengthy revision process with an offer on the table...
RebeccaShe: but I won't take something on without reviewing matieral and deciding if it speaks to me...
RebeccaShe: again, I don't rep one book, I rep an author and his or her career...
RebeccaShe: also it's important for a writer to know, as an agent, it's not only my job to seal the deal and negotiate contracts...
RebeccaShe: it's an important part of my job, but that's not it
Dawnelle: How many submissions do you get in an average week? Out of those, how many are poorly targeted and how many do you set aside for consideration (if you can answer that). Just to get an idea of what the process is like. Thanks!
RebeccaShe: I couldn't tell you how many submissions I get a week (and I also am the first person to read my boss' PC mail!) but it's a staggering amount...
RebeccaShe: the vast majority gets rejected quickly either because it's not what we rep or it doesn't fit the modern day market or simply doesn't suit our tastes...
RebeccaShe: I can tell you that between Susan's mail and my own I have already sent out about 150 rejection letters since the beginning of Sept...but on the flipside there are leaning towers of PC mail that I set aside because I wanted to read a submission more carefully, saw some promise and/or would like to write a personal response, perhaps with revision suggestions...the same can be said for queries sent to me via email
Dawnelle: Thanks again!
RebeccaShe: you're welcome
Guest: How long do you try to sell a work before it goes back in the drawer? And how often does this occur? And is there a point where it wastes your time to work with a client?
Guest: I mean how often do you just have to plain give up on something?
RebeccaShe: there are projects that a client and I decide to take a breather on...think about and decide to resend or revise...if I believe in something firmly enough I will keep sending it out and keep brainstorming with the author on ways to make it stronger or different...
RebeccaShe: I wouldn't take it on if I envisioned myself putting it in a drawer...in my opinion, this is the upside of revising so much before submission. I become attached
Mindy: What happens when an author you rep writes a new ms that doesn't speak to you?
RebeccaShe: I know I used the phrase, "speak to me," before...but that's kinda vague...chances are if the style and writing speak to me in the first project it will again even if the projects are VERY different thematically...
RebeccaShe: a talented writer is a talented writer...
RebeccaShe: though everyone can misstep...and in one case a picture book author's second try was NOT going to make it in such a tough pb environment...I explained that to the author and the elements of the text that I thought wouldn't cut it now though it was just the kind of thing that was read to me when I was little...
RebeccaShe: in most cases there is room for revision...but it has almost never happened that I say we shouldn't send something out...in this case, the author appreciated my honesty and knowledge of the market
Mindy: Some subjects might not appeal as much as others. What if the writing and voice are good, but the subject matter doesn't make you enthusiastic about the project
RebeccaShe: I think even if I wasn't keen on the subject, I could get excited about it...I don't enjoy extreme sports or roller coasters but would know a good book in which the main character was a daredevil and be able to sell it...
RebeccaShe: if it's a subgenre (like SF) that I don't usually work in and therefore don't know if the book's story and themes have been explored to death...that's when I ask a colleague to take a look and discuss it with me
lindsey: what are some of your recent or upcoming titles to look for?
RebeccaShe: the second Lulu book will be out next summer (the first came out in May)
Verla: Does anyone else have a question?
JoanPaquet: Just a big "thank you" for a great chat!
Mindy: Quick question - for e-mails, is it query only or do we submit the first three chapters (not as an attachment)
RebeccaShe: (for emails, I'd say just paste in a max of 10 pages)
Mindy: Thank you. I'll do that.
Dawnelle: For a pb. submission, would you want the entire ms?
RebeccaShe: yes entire for pb
lindsey: I have one more question- What is your favorite reality show? Promise that is relevant.
Della: Rebecca, would you want to know the 'submission history' of a particular ms when we submit to you?
RebeccaShe: briefly, Della...just to know if was submitted before and if I'm interested, I'll ask for the full story...
Della: great, thanks
RebeccaShe: like anything Lindsey, I can't give a simple answer...I've stuck by the Real World since the beginning. Project Runway may be the best in my opinion. but I think my favorite is the first season of The Joe Schmo Show--few know about it--it wsa a Truman Show thing with all but one actors and it was WONDERFUL
lindsey: thanks- you can tell alot about a person based upon their reality tastes :)
RebeccaShe: well, mine are eclectic
LindaJoy: I just wanted to say I finished reading LULU and really enjoyed it
RebeccaShe: thanks
PamelaRoss: What lessons have you learned working with Susan C? And yes-- I love Lulu too. I like that the author called you his "fairy g-dmother" {{}}
RebeccaShe: well being Susan's assistant was my first job in publishing, so I learned tons being her assistant...
RebeccaShe: and from everyone at Writers House...lines of communication are very open there...and Amy Berkower, Jodi Reamer and Steven Malk (also children's book / YA agents) all are wonderful
PamelaRoss: What a way to begin your career!
Verla: What GREAT questions everyone asked tonight. Thanks for being here, Rebecca... (you all have voice now, and can join me in thanking Rebecca)
RebeccaShe: Pretty lucky, huh
Mindy: Thank you very much for your time. I really appreciate it.
AnneHereti: thank you, Rebecca
kimmar: I wish you many sales Rebecca
Robin: Thanks for talking to us!
Della: Thanks, Rebecca!
JoanPaquet: Thanks again, Rebecca :)
elle: thank you for such informative answers!
lifeonmars: Thanks a lot, Rebecca!
light: Many thanks, Rebecca
Amishka: Thanks Rebecca
Dawnelle: Thanks Rebecca
LindaJoy: thanks REbecca
julie: Thanks Rebecca
lindsey: you rock Rebecca
PamelaRoss: And not "PC" answers, either (as in politcally correct) <gg> Your honesty is lovely.
ali: Thanks Rebecca
RebeccaShe: I was glad to do it. Hopefully we can chat again soon! I'm always looking for book recommdations too- so maybe we can just talk books next time!
Verla: talking books is great, Rebecca
tgseale: thank you!


SUBMISSION INFORMATION FOR REBECCA SHERMAN:
Verla: Submissions can be sent to
Verla: Rebecca Sherman
Verla: Writers House
Verla: 21 West 26th Street
Verla: New York, NY 10010 
Verla: Or via email at rsherman@writershouse.com
Verla: Either way, please be patient as I review your material.

RebeccaShe: and You're ALL Welcome.
Dawnelle: Thanks!

RebeccaShe: thanks for wonderful questions
Verla: we really appreciated all the time you gave us tonight, Rebecca
RebeccaShe: hope you all feel you got the answers and maybe learned a bit
Verla: I hope you find some GREAT clients from the people who were here tonight
Mindy: Definitely
RebeccaShe: I think it's time for me to say goodnight...but I promise, if invited, I'll be back soon
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kimmar: thanks so much rebecca, I'm sure you'll be hearing from some of us :)!
PamelaRoss: Please come back, Rebecca. You were a wonderful guest.
Verla: that was confetti and a rainbow hug, by the way
julie: Thanks Verla too
Dawnelle: Thanks for all the great answers and info!
Mindy: Verla - thank you very much for hosting this amazing chat room. This is the first one I attended, and I'll definitely be back.
RebeccaShe: ok- I was about to ask if you just wrote gibberish, v
Dawnelle: Thank you Verla!
RebeccaShe: yes, yes thanks to Verla
Verla: LOL.. I'm sure I do, Rebecca. Especially in my first drafts
RebeccaShe: LOl
PamelaRoss: Hahah! I am glad you picked up on that straight line, Verla!
Verla: we'd love to have you again, Rebecca. Just let me know when you want to come and we'll schedule you in
kimmar: or come just to chat rebecca!
Verla: Mindy, we meet here every night of the week... just to chat
Verla: workshops and ProTalk Discussion nights are always Tuesdays
RebeccaShe: I'm all for a chat about YA books past, present, future...and I may just check in on the boards or an everyday chat
LindaJoy: sometimes we even chat about writing (g)
Mindy: Any set time?
AnneHereti: but rarely...
Verla: very true, lyra
AnneHereti: 9 eastern
Verla: we start at 6pm Pacific
Verla: 7pm Mountain
RebeccaShe: until then....
Verla: 8pm Central
Verla: 9pm Eastern every night, Mindy
elle: good night and thank you again!
AnneHereti: night Elle
Verla: thanks again, Rebecca!
RebeccaShe: goodnight (because it's nearing 11 here)
LindaJoy: hey, I And we usually have someone in here for about a 2-hour period
LindaJoy: the same time frame as tonight, in fact
RebeccaShe: YOU'RE ALL WELCOME...and I'm out...
Mindy: Thank you! I've been reading transcripts, but having the chance to interact is wonderful. Goodnight Rebecca.
*** Signoff: RebeccaSherman (Quit: Bye bye)

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