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Workshop Transcript

1998 SCBWI National Conference

with Linda (Lindy) R. Rymill

 

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*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to What Happened at the National Conference? Workshop in session

Verla: For anyone who is new to these workshops, by the way, we don't do any hello's or goodby's or Be Right Backs, etc. And hold all personal chatter until after the workshop has ended.

Verla: But you are ENCOURAGED to ask questions and make comments.

Verla: Okay everyone...Linda Rymill is our fearless leader for tonight...for those who don't know her...she is the Regional Advisor for Michigan and the Author of the FANTASTIC picture book, Good Knight.

Verla: Do you want to go by Linda or Lindy tonight, Lindy?

Lindy: lindy

Verla: Okay. In the transcript, too?

Lindy: yuppers

LisaW1: clap, clap, clap, clap

Suzy-Q shoots silly string into the air.

ClaraRose clapls too

Suzy-Q: YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

Verla: Ouch, SQ! Silly string got up my NOSE.

Suzy-Q adjusts the mike.

Verla: Okay, Lindy. You are ON!

Lindy: oh dear

Suzy-Q: What are you doing up so high?

Lindy: lol

NOTE: lol = laughing out loud

Verla: Tonight's topic is the 1998 National conference.

Lindy: Who went to the national conference?

Lindy: (besides me)

Verla: And anyone who was there is encouraged to participate.

Verla: ME! ME!

Verla: I was there!

Lindy: VERY encouraged

Verla: LOL

Verla: I have tons of notes, Lindy

Lindy: I have reviewed my 12 pages of notes (courtesy of friends ) and am prepared to answer your every question.

Lindy: Shoot

Suzy-Q raises hand

Lindy: Yes, SQ?

ragtimemar: What's the most encouraging thing you heard?

Lindy: That good writing WILL BE PUBLISHED

Lindy: write what you want YOUR way and find the market

Suzy-Q: Did Verla behave herself this time?

NOTE FROM VERLA: "I tried!"

LisaW1: Who gave the best presentation?

Lindy: I liked Hans Nolan

Lindy: Dry wit. Humor. Meat

Lindy: and I also loved David Wisniewski

Lindy: Han Nolan said "believe in your work--or don't send it out"

LisaW1: Good advice, Lindy

Lindy: "you don't have to read reviews"

Lindy: How 'bout you Verla?

Verla: I fell in love with several speakers

ragtimemar: Like who, Verla?

Verla: I took tons of notes on Brenda Bowen's talk - editor from Simon & Schuester

Verla: Susan Raab was great...she gave excellent promotional advice

Lindy: Julius Lester said "you want people , after they have read you historical fiction, to say 'this could have happened'"

Verla: Julius Lester was terrific!

Lindy: And I love what he said "By the time I submit a picture book I can defend EVERY word.

ragtimemar: That is great, Lindy!

Lindy: (but of course he always listens with open ears to editors) Verla: Julius also said...

Verla: to be a writer, you need arrogance!

Verla: Arrogance that your work CAN get published. Your book IS good. People WILL want to buy and read it.

LisaW1: That's what I've been missing, Verla!

Lindy: I don't remember that!

Verla: It was in a breakout session, Lindy

ragtimemar: (:)

ragtimemar: Oh, do I have that!

dorii: What IS a 'breakout' session?

Lindy: breakout session: smaller informal session; more conversation less speechy (how do you like that adjective?)

Verla: That's where a few speakers "break away" from the main conference room and go into small rooms, dori. Anyone who wants to can wander into the small rooms, sit with the speaker and talk to them...in small groups!

KarmaWilso: Speechy! Cool.

Verla: They are REALLY informative sessions and my favorite part of the conference.

ClaraRose: sounds very informative... and fun

kkce: Karma, Don't you mean Speech-Keen?

KarmaWilso: LOL, kkcc

Verla: I listen to the main speakers, then target the ones that I want to "pick the brains" of, and go to those breakout sessions...popping back into the main conference room periodically, so I don't miss anything really important. (Hopefully)

Lindy: David Wisniewski said "Accept any idea as valuable initially"

Lindy: and "protect your ideas and dreams"

Dani25: What did he mean, protect?

LisaW1: good quotes here

ragtimemar: I want to frame that quote.

Lindy: I think he meant that when we are rejected over and over, we need to believe in ourself

Lindy: that we are responsible for the care and feeding of our OWN ideas and dreams

zbell: In other words, don't give up, get on with it?

Lindy: Yes, zbell

Verla: He also answered a VERY hard question of mine that I have been grappling with for three years. If you are writing a biography - but you don't have quotes of actual things said because the person is no longer living...then do research and find out how people LIKE that person talked in those days and use THEIR dialogue. Just say in your author's note that the language is representative of the <kind of person> of that era.

Lindy: He also used the term "coumpound moral fracture" when referring to some picture book manuscripts.

LisaW1: explain, Lindy

kkce: to mean what, Lindy?

Lindy: how some people write trying to preach morality and their manuscript fractures because of it.

Lindy: It won't sell

Lindy: the kiss of death

LisaW1: aha! entertain first

Lindy: teaching Lots of morals (compound) = lots of fracture (failing)

Verla: I heard a GREAT quote from one of the people who was attending the conference...she said, Stories are made up of a beginning, an end, and all the interesting pieces in between.

Verla: the editor's panel was great, too.

Lindy: True.

Verla: They told us lots of good things.

Verla: Like:

Verla: a good cover letter DOES help

Dani25: Arrgh! Better practice those cover letters

Verla: Things to mention in it are: Can you write in more than one language? have you been a teacher? Have you been published before?

Dani25: No. no, and no

MsEdit: Have you been a teacher?

Verla: Not me, ms Edit

MsEdit: no, Verla. Why is it important to have been a teacher? I know these are kids books, but still ...

Verla: Editors look favorably on teachers

zbell: I thought it wasn't supposed to matter if you had been published before?

Verla: I doesn't matter if you have NOT been published, but if you HAVE, USE it, zbell. Magazine credits are good, too.

Dani25: I shelve library books. Would that help?

Verla: Yes, Dani. Because you are probably very knowledgable about children's books.

Verla: Also...include a SAMPLE of your writing style in the letter....just a paragraph, but make it a sample from the manuscript you are pitching to the editor

Dani25: You mean like a part of the book?

Verla: Yes, Dani. A line or two from the book is GOOD.

LisaW1: Why in the cover letter? They will have the manuscript to look at...

Verla: Because it's a way to bring your BEST writing to the attention of the editor before she even picks up your story. Giving her your best sample in the cover letter is a way to give her a good impression of your writing so she is prepared to like it BEFORE she reads it.

Lindy: I think it was Brenda Bowen who added "never tell an editor how she is going to *feel* about your ms."

NOTE: ms = manuscript

MsEdit: makes sense, Lindy

Verla: yes! A writer should never tell them that, Lindy!

KarmaWilso: You're going to love my manuscript, "Tommy the Talking Toaster..." written in rhyme!

KarmaWilso: All my kids do...

KarmaWilso: My grandma does.

KarmaWilso: Even the cat thinks it's great. She purrs whenever I read it to her.

_MS_SASE: And the dog...the dog really loved it

Dani25: And it's just like Dr. Seuss' book!

LisaW1: I also drew some pictures to go with it

ragtimemar: (:P

NOTE: (:P = A smiley face sticking out its tongue

KarmaWilso: It's based on the true life story of my toaster, Tommy.

ragtimemar: LOL!

NOTE: LOL = Laughing Out Loud

KarmaWilso: Sorry.. I'm getting a little silly.

KarmaWilso: Go on.

Dani25: And I can write a screenplay for it

mick13: Don't you like the orange crayon I wrote it in?

KarmaWilso: LOL!

Dani25: I'm sorry, too

Verla: LOL! Those are all GREAT examples of what NOT to say in a cover letter. Good job, folks!

Lindy: I was intrigued by the comment that editors generally offer authors best advance first time and offer agents less knowing they will haggle. Wasn't that what was said, Verla?

Verla: Yes, lindy, it was.

Verla: And Dinah said...don't take rejections personally. (Where have we heard THAT before?) But she added a really interesting thought...One editor might not be "in tune" with your manuscript, but another editor might say, "AH HA!" and get VERY excited about it.

zbell: So? Does an editor read through the manuscript first to get a feel for it and then reread it to pick it apart, or do they pick it apart immediately?

Verla: Only the editor knows the answer to those questions, zbell. They all work differently.

Lindy: zbell, in my experience, editors won't tell you much of anything until they buy your ms. and have a contract in hand.

Lindy: I thought David Wisniewski presentation and breakout session was fun. He bared his soul and told of his feelings, his learning experiences, his early ignorance.

Verla: Yes, his presentation was great.

LisaW1: I know ignorance!!

KarmaWilso: Early ignorance! Now THAT I can relate to!

KarmaWilso: LOL, Great minds Lisa!

KarmaWilso: Dori, a perfect display of early ignorance! ( I was going to ask the same thing).

LisaW1: You make me wish I were there Lindy :-( sounds cool

NOTE: :-( = a frowny face

Lindy: David Wisniewski said the first picture book ms. he submitted was a zillion words and totally illustrated.

Dani25: Wow, he was that much of a beginner?

LisaW1: Yeah, David Wisniewski. We are not alone

Lindy: He spent oodles of time on it (he showed it to us) and the editor said "nope"

Lindy: Extreme beginner.

Lindy: His expertise was from years of doing shadow puppeting (With his wife) and David wrote the scripts.

LisaW1: he is an author/illustrator. Correct?

Lindy: Yes

Lindy: So he learned a lot about action and character....

Lindy: But he had NO idea of how to do a dummy

Lindy: Never thought about two-page spreads

Lindy: Never knew he should submit thumbnail sketches... etc

kkce: He's an outstanding illustrator -- not that great on words -- but his illustrations completely overshadow.

Dani25: I don't know if I should feel good that I never did that...

Dani25: Or bad that he won a Caldecott and I'm still waiting to be published

KarmaWilso: Did he put stickers on the envelope? Did he write, The End? Did he use flowered stamps?

KarmaWilso: Enquiring minds want to know!

KarmaWilso: Was his cover letter signed, "Your Name Goes Here"?

NOTE: Karma did this. Heh heh heh. She gets teased a lot about that "blunder."

Dani25: Did he submit on neon orange paper?

LisaW1: alas, we all have 'beginner' stories. Or is it just me?

Lindy: I seem to remember something about bright envelopes... <g> (but I could be wrong)

NOTE: <g> = grin

Lindy: He had to learn how to say less.

ragtimemar: You can tell we've all made some of these mistakes!

Lindy: So had EVERYone in his breakout session

Lindy: (that's why we loved him)

Lindy: <vbg>

NOTE: <vbg> = very big grin

LisaW1: do you have to sign up for breakout sessions?

Verla: No, lisa. You just wander in when you want and out when you are ready to go somewhere else. People constantly come and go in the breakout rooms and in the main conference room, too.

Lindy: Everyone learns. Everyone is a beginner sometime. And everyone gets to the point they think they know everything.

KarmaWilso: I'm at that point. I know everything... ;-)

NOTE: ;-) = Another happy face

KarmaWilso: Not.

Lindy: THEN, they realize there are no real rules.

LisaW1: YES!

Lindy: Good guidelines, perhaps. But NO rules.

MsEdit: are there ever sign language interpreters at these conferences?

Verla: I've never seen any, MsEdit. Of course, I've never looked for them, either. But I don't believe they have them.

zbell: What types of topics are covered during nationals?

Verla: topics covered at this conference were: nuts & bolts of the creative process, what happens behind the scenes in a manuscript acquisition (I wrote that up for the Keystrokes newsletter...it will be in the Sept '98 Issue) the lives of the authors..how they got started...About historical novels, contemporary novels, non-fiction trends, building a website (information on this is on the SCBWI website under publications), about picture books, series books, biographies...Current market trends, shaping stories for publication, and ...

Verla: That was only the first two days!

Verla: the talks started at 9 every morning and went until 9 at night. Short break for lunch...NO DINNER BREAKS...talks straight through.

zbell is assuming that they do different topics each year.

Verla: Yes, zbell. Different speakers and different topics each year.

ragtimemar: What about non-fiction trends, Verla? What did they say?

Verla: There were TWO more days of talks!

ragtimemar: What did they say about non-fiction trends, Verla?

Verla: looking to see if I wrote that down, rag...

Verla: Sorry, non fiction trends was a breakout session, rag...I attended the one on Websites

KarmaWilso: It boils down to this. A good, unique manuscript is your only hope...

Lindy: RE NON-fiction: David Adler said ALWAYS consult the curriculum in CA and Texas

Lindy: because textbooks try to satisy those two states (as CA and TX are leaders)

Lindy: He suggests looking at publishers biographies and seeing who's not there and filling the hole

Lindy: He added that bios of REALLY famous people STILL sell better than bios of unknowns.

Verla: Yeah. I can attest to THAT, Lindy.

ragtimemar: Interesting.

dorii: Darn! Now I can't write your biography, Karma

ragtimemar: (:)

Dani25: Not yet, Dori

KarmaWilso: Dori, I WAS asked to be on Sally.

KarmaWilso: Doesn't that make me famous?

KarmaWilso: :-)

ClaraRose: I suppose being in 'who's who' doesn't count.

_MS_SASE: I can write Verla's bio...she is a household word

KarmaWilso: I WAS GONNA, MS!

ONTOIT: HI ALL

KarmaWilso: :-)

Dani25: How much does the conference cost?

Lindy: <The conference fee itself> was about $300, but the transportation and hotel fees are the most expensive.

Lindy: FLASH FLASH YES, they ARE thinking about moving the conference to the East.

KarmaWilso: EW!

KarmaWilso: Then it will be even harder to go!

Verla: THEY ARE?

KarmaWilso: Why don't they hold it in North Idaho??? ;-)

ragtimemar: YES!!!

ClaraRose: hmmm maybe they should do what COMMON does... go from major conference center to major conference center.

Trox: I thought they were going to have a New York and CA Conference every year

kkce: NY? Talk about expensive!

ClaraRose: hmmm... interesting Lindy

dorii: What are some pointers for first-time conference goers? How do you plan your time to get the most out of it?

Verla: Dorii, the best thing is to carefully study the schedule before you arrive and decide which talks you absolutely CANNOT miss and which ones you would LIKE to attend and which ones you really don't care about hearing. Some subjects will be more appealing to you than others. After you arrive, they will start scheduling the Break-Out sessions. Check these over carefully and decide which of those you REALLY want to attend. Hopefully, not too many of the Breakout Sessions you want to attend will overlap the main talks. There will always be SOME choices you will have to make. As far as the conference goes, some of the BEST networking takes place in the evenings. Stay at the conference hotel and make yourself available to meet other writers. Hang out wherever other writers are. Find out where the Hospitality Suite is and GO there! Other writers will often be there. Join people in their rooms for manuscript sharing and general conversation. Try not to just quietly disappear, but make yourself available to be invited to join other writers. Hang around other writers and just listen! You will NOT be sorry. Oh, yeah. One more thing. Except for the Golden Kite Luncheon, most of the time you will want to wear TShirts and jeans and shorts and casual clothes. Some people do dress up, but the majority of those who attend come very casual. So wear what YOU are most comfortable in. If it's a dress or suit, you will be fine. If it's a sweat shirt and jeans, you will also be fine. Most anything goes.

Lindy: Hans Nolan said, "when a book leaves your hands, it's no longer yours. Get going on the next one."

Lindy: Antoher quote from David Adler I liked "Write, don't think"

Lindy: And a good tip on finding out who an editor of a particular book is:

Lindy: "Call the marketing Dept, tell them you LOVE the book and ask them who editied it"

Lindy: I think it was Bowen who said "The marketing dept will tell you anything."

Lindy: (I thought it was a hilarious--and very useful idea!!!!)

Verla: Oh, yes, Lindy...that was a GOOD tip!

LisaW1: good tip, Lindy

ragtimemar: A very bold one!

Verla: Here's another tip...If an editor requests a manuscript from you...write them a follow up letter after 8 weeks if you have not heard anything

KarmaWilso: Really?

KarmaWilso: I didn't know that.

LisaW1: what if you've done that and still nothing?

Verla: Lisa, then give them a quick call

KarmaWilso: Of course, I'm the newby that had a manuscript personally requested by Lodestar editor, and didn't know enough to write requested material on the envelope....

KarmaWilso: duh.

LisaW1: I did that too Karma

ClaraRose: rest easy.. I had one take over 8 months to answer a query... they were very apologetic and wanted to see it!

KarmaWilso: The senior editor wrote me an email, saying the idea was great, and told me a story about her daughter....and I didn't write requested material.

KarmaWilso: It only helped a little that they went under.

Verla: If you like to write in rhyme, there is an excellent software out...called Zillion Kajillion Rhymes. It runs on both Mac and Ibm's. If you say you are an SCBWI member...he said there's a way to get $10 off...but I didn't hear WHERE or HOW. So email Bruce Balan via the SCBWI website and ASK about it.

ClaraRose: is it available on Amazon?

Verla: I don't know, clara

KarmaWilso: There's a link at Bruce's site, I think.

ragtimemar: Isn't that like plagiarizing, though, Verla?

KarmaWilso: It's like a rhyming dictionary, isn't it?

Verla: No, no, rag...this software helps you find rhymes for your words..Yes, karma. It's a rhyming dictionary IN YOUR COMPUTER

ragtimemar: Ah!! Gotcha.

JClinton: Newby question if I may.

Verla: Ask away, clinton..

JClinton: thanks.

JClinton: About the query, request and requested material...

JClinton: If you send an editor a query and they request to see the MS, I normally just send it.

JClinton: Is there something else I am suppose to do.

JClinton: ?

ClaraRose: Log it somewhere to keep track

Verla: Always write REQUESTED MATERIAL on the outside of the envelope so it will by-pass the slush pile, clinton

LisaW1: who said that, Lindy?

dorii: Clinton, and also write a cover letter, mentioning that the ms was requested, etc

Verla: yes, dori!

JClinton: I do normally put it in my cover letter in the first paragraph.

authoress: does the same hold true re requested material if an editor says feel free to submit another mss?

ClaraRose: good question... I've got a few of those.

Verla: Authoress, if an editor told ME to feel free to submit another manuscript, I'd do it! And put requested material on the envelope, mention in the cover letter that she had requested it and include a copy of her original letter inviting me to send another manuscript to her. :-)

dorii: Then, Clinton, the only other thing to do is cross your fingers, and wait...

mick13: and wait and wait and wait

JClinton: yes. I am waiting. Thanks dorii and verla.

mick13: and wait some more

ragtimemar: A way to procrastinate then, Lindy?

Lindy: I'm trying to apply this quote to mss, not just books. It's always easy to waste time thinking about what fate your ms might reach instead of wroking on something new.

ClaraRose: yep... it is better if you kind of forget about it and move on... then it doesn't seem to take so long.

Trox: Han Nolan also said to be working on something when the reviews came in.

Dani25: Did anyone mention anything about email submissions? Like is anyone open to them?

Lindy: I don't recall any editor speaking about email. I do remember hearing they hate faxes

Verla: Most of them do NOT want to receive emails from authors UNTIL you are under contract with them

KarmaWilso: I know. And yet, I've had some good response to email letters, so it's not a steadfast rule.

KarmaWilso: Best to drop a quick email asking if they accept email queries, and if they send email guidelines.

Dani25: I guess I'll stick to regular post to be safe

KarmaWilso: If they really hate email, they won't have it listed.

Verla: 385 people attended the conference this year. 352 females, 33 males. (Good odds for the guys...)

mick13: I'm there next year!

mick13 gets slapped by his wife

ClaraRose: lol..... look at those odds!

ragtimemar: LOL!

Verla: LOL! Cute, mick

LisaW1: How tiring is it? Sounds like you were busy every minute.

Trox: It was my first year at the conference. I commuted every day & missed out on a lot.

Verla: By Monday, I was exhausted, rag. I kind of SINK by the third day...fourth day, I just try to keep awake!

dorii: Lisa, we could sit next to each other, and then poke each other once in awhile to stay awake?

LisaW1: You're on, Dori!

JClinton: When an editor indicates in a reply that a story is lacking some element, and you spend time

JClinton: revising and sending it out again, and she says she liked the first version...

Lindy: Who was it that said one should learn the difference between "'writer's block' and not wanting to write"

LisaW1: Ye olde avoidance techniques, aye. I can relate

Verla: Gosh...I missed THAT comment, Lindy

Verla: But it sounds like something Hinton would have said!

Lindy: I liked it.

_MS_SASE: If it weren't for avoiding my writing, my apartment would never get cleaned.

KarmaWilso: Ah, but why admit you don't want to write, when that handy little term, writer's block, is so easy to use?

Verla: Hey, did you mention David's comment about never accepting another's negative opinion as valid unless it's been PROVEN to be valid? I liked that one, too!

dorii: Which speakers did you find most interesting and informative? the authors? the editors? the agents?

Lindy: I also remember S.E. Hinton saying that she flunked high school creative writing the same year THE OUTSIDERS was published

KarmaWilso: I love that!

Verla: Yes, I loved that, too, Lindy!

KarmaWilso: I got a C- in a community college writing course.

ragtimemar: Does she just go by S.E. Hinton?

Verla: Yes, she does, rag..because she didn't think anyone would read a book written by a sixteen year old girl

LisaW1: Wow! Lindy. That is something good to remember

KarmaWilso: :-)

Lindy: SO TRUE KARMA (and also, using the "writing term" kinda says to everybody you're a writer....

Verla: And...to become a writer...JUST WRITE

Trox: Her real first name is Suzi, but she uses her married name in "real life"

KarmaWilso: I liked that quote, to become a better writer, become a better reader.

mick13: I took creative writing in college... guy wanted us to write sonnets!

KarmaWilso: That's SO true.

Lindy: The attendees are always MY highlight. I enjoy the speakers, editors etc--but fellow writers/ illustrators are THE best

ragtimemar: Good idea, I guess.

LisaW1: I'd love to go to meet my faves, Lindy

Trox: My fav part of the conference was watching the behind-the-scenes stuff.

Verla: Yes, I get as much or often MORE from the other people there as I do from the formal speeches.

debyjg: What behind the scenes stuff?

Trox: Oh, you know, when the main conference was in session, I'd go to the bathroom & see meetings in action.

ragtimemar: Hmm, too!

Trox: LOL, No, I was on my way to the bathroom, the meetings were usually in the lobby or the bar.

debyjg: Yea, I know how it is detouring through the bar to get to the bathroom.

Lindy: I went out to dinner with about a dozen people, authors and editors

LisaW1: who Lindy?

ragtimemar: Who was most interesting, Lindy?

Trox: I had lunch with Debbie. She's a children's author, too.

Lindy: I'm thinking.....

Lindy: I can't really say the most interesting--but I think what one learns from attending conferences, eating with editors, talking as peers etc is that people are JUST people.

Lindy: I really like Alice Buening too. (Ed of children's Writer's and Illustrators Market). She is very kind, thoughtful, considerate--just plain nice.

Lindy: (and smart)

Lindy: I met Debbi Ohi, editor of inklings; she's really nice.

Verla: I guess I met her, too, Lindy..although I didn't know it. She quoted me in the Inklings! LOL

Verla: I found most of the speakers to be very approachable! Susan Raab sat with me for over a half hour and talked to me personally about book promotion!

ragtimemar: What authors did you meet, Lindy?

Lindy: And I also have a great deal of respect for Paula Danziger.

Lindy: Everyone seems to love her because she is entertaining. I really respect her because she is honest and a great listener.

KarmaWilso: Linda Smith has a great Paula Danzinger story!

KarmaWilso: :-)

debyjg: All this name dropping, could you please all if these people are agents, editors, etc.

Lindy: Danziger is an author, middle grade, very popular.

debyjg: Thanks Lindy

NOTE: Susan Raab is with the promotion department of SCBWI, Paula Danziger is a big-name series author - mid grade books - the Amelia Brown books. Linda Smith is a new author who often frequents the Kidlit chat room.

Lindy: Also, Adler said "The greatest skill a writer should have is REwriting"

JClinton: Was there any mention at this conference or any past ones regarding storybooks? (longer stories but illustrated)

Verla: yes, it was mentioned, clinton. They said they were harder to sell than the shorter ones

JClinton: I am finding that to be true. Hopefully not impossible though. I need a little hope.

Verla: Oh, yes, one more thing about S.E. Hinton...she told us when she was a child, she didn't just want a horse - she wanted to BE a horse!

ClaraRose: hmmm...

JClinton: <G>

LisaW1: Uh-oh. I have a kid that wanted to be a horse, dog, cat,...

^GailM: Lots of young girls want to be be a horse.

ClaraRose: I have a neighbor boy that plays being the car. (not your typical playing race car driver... being the car)

debyjg: Are most of the editors and agents, writers also?

Verla: Some are, some aren't. It's as individual as the people, debyjg

Verla: hinton said, if you have writer's block, just write two pages EVERY day. No matter what. And you will "break through" it.

JClinton: Does anyone know where Virginia Duncan went. (previous editor for scholastic I believe.)

NOTE: Apparently, no one knew the answer to this question.

Verla: Oh, yes...one editor I talked to said her biggest hatred of conference attendees was when someone shoved a manuscript at her to read...UNDER THE BATHROOM STALL! She said she came VERY close to flushing it! (Unread, of course.)

ragtimemar: That's really tacky, Verla!

Verla: Yes, We thought so, too.

debyjg: Hey a lot of people do their best reading in the bathroom.

mick13: but not many do their best writing there

ragtimemar: Any long time authors, like Jane Yolen, Beverly Cleary there?

Lindy: I did not see either of them, but I've met Jane Yolen before. Now there's one bright woman.

ragtimemar: I liked Jane, too, she used to be on our list.

JClinton: Illustration question...

JClinton: There was an earlier thread regarding submitting thumbnails and the dummy.... Is it mandatory for a writer/illustrator to send thumbnails and why?

Verla: Not at first, clinton. You just send a couple of good samples of your illustrations at first. (COPIES ONLY!)

Verla: AFTER you have been commissioned to do a job, THEN you will send thumbnails to the art director for approval before you start on the rough drawings.

Verla: After the roughs are approved, you send colored final illustrations

Verla: Sometimes there is one more step in the middle....

JClinton: Good. My wife is the writer/illustrator and sometimes it is very hard to know what is required for an illustrator to send. She is self taught with the illustrations...

Verla: Oh, Hinton said something else that I really loved! "There is no practical use for being a 'little bit famous.' You will NOT get recognized when you want a good seat in a restaurant but you WILL have a small crowd gather around you when you are in your wrinkled sweats with dirty hair picking up a few 'necessities' in the grocery store!"

ragtimemar: LOL!

Lindy: And wasn't it Hinton who said she wasn't in the mood to write and her husband thought she was miserable so he said, what can I do for you?

Lindy: She said "take me to dinner"

Lindy: he said "write threee pages and I'll take you to dinner"

Lindy: She got a whole novel done--then published that way.

LisaW1: what a smart guy!

ragtimemar: That's a good husband.

Verla: That was two pages, Lindy. That was when she discovered writing two pages would break through...

LisaW1: I'll have to teach hubby that trick;-)

KarmaWilso: My husband says, "Quit writing, get of that #@$#@ computer, and I'll take you to dinner."

KarmaWilso: Ha ha!

KarmaWilso: I'll never get published at this rate. :-(

ragtimemar: (:)

^GailM: My husband wants to know what shelf the shampoo is on while I am trying to craft a sentence.

ragtimemar: My husband's never home to say anything!

Verla: I hide from mine.

Lindy: LOL, Gail. I can identify.

Verla: hehehhe

ragtimemar: (:)

KarmaWilso: Speaking of husbands, I've to to go.

KarmaWilso: Thanks all.

KarmaWilso: Bye

*** KarmaWilson has left channel #Kidlit

ragtimemar: Bye, Karma.

debyjg: Where is the National Conference next year?

Verla: Lindy...you have any information on next year's conference?

Lindy: Other than they're honestly thinking about MAYBE holding in OUTside CA....., no.

Lindy: (I'm so glad they're considering it!)

^GailM: Just when I MAY go, it will move off the West coast.

ragtimemar: I'm a northeasterner. I really revolt to this CA stuff.

Suzy-Q: Gee Chicago would be nice, right Lindy?/

Lindy: I really enjoyed the National conference; I meet many RAs I wouldn't otherwise have met--and we network a great deal.

Verla: And..did I meet you, trox?

Lindy: My personal opinion is, however, one can get A LOT from a smaller conference. a regional or State....

ragtimemar: Chicago would be terrific - 6 hour drive from me, 45 minutes in a plane.

Verla: LOL!

Suzy-Q: It would be 2 hours from me.

Verla: closer than LA is to me, Lindy

Suzy-Q: 15 minutes by plane/

ragtimemar: See? Let's start a petition! (:)

ragtimemar: Any publishers especially "hungry" for new faces?

Verla: It seemed like ALL of them were very interested in finding new talent, Rag...

Lindy: Interesting how authors write too. Some never start anything until they have a title, other never begin without a plot. hinton said she always has characters first; plot is very hard for her.

Verla: And then...we are about done! Our hour is UP.

Trox: Did anyone catch who won the "Sue Alexander Award"

Verla: They don't announce that until later, trox

Verla: Anyone else have any quick questions before we formally close this workshop?

^GailM: I feel I get a great deal from local conferences.

Trox: Not for me, thanks for a great workshop! Bye.

LisaW1: Thanks for sharing, verla and Lindy

Verla: (I personally would like to see National move around the country. East coast one year, mid west another, southern state one year...northwestern state, then south western..etc.

Verla: Lindy....Thank you for a GREAT workshop! We really appreciate the time and effort you put in for this!

Verla: Three cheers for Lindy! Hip Hip Hooray!

Verla: Hip hip Hooray!

Verla: Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!!!!

ragtimemar: Thanks, Lindy!

ragtimemar: And Verla!

Suzy-Q hands Lindy a caramel apple

Lindy: You are all welcome; I'm glad to have helped.

Lindy: Crunch! Yum!

Suzy-Q removes the mike and clears the table away.

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