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Creating Exciting Non-Fiction

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*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Creating Exciting Non-Fiction Workshop tonight

Verla: Hi. I just got an emergency email from Adrianne. Her brother has been in an accident and she had to rush off the to the hospital, so won't be able to lead tonight's workshop.

NOTE: Several days after this workshop, I got another email from Adrianne saying her brother was "on the mend" and is now out of the hospital. All of us cheer with your family at this wonderful news, Adrianne!

HollyByrne: Is Adrianne the workshop leader?

Verla: yes, holly. She WAS

Lyra_: Adrianne had to rush to the hospital for her brother (no details) so Verla, etc. will be leading this workshop tonight

Verla: We will have to improvise, tonight, it seems.

Verla: Linda Joy Singleton (aka Lyra) said she'd help us out tonight, and I've asked Kate if she would help out, too....

Verla: Hey! I just this minute got an update to the Slushpile Website.

Verla: I'm going to share one paragraph in it with all of you ... since it's about ME.

Verla: Here it is....


Finally, while you're nosing through the Interviews category of The Slush Pile, take a look at "I Almost Listened," an article by intrepid author VERLA KAY. She's a slush-buster extraordinaire, and she got her toe-hold by ignoring the pesky naysayers who probably plague you, too. Her advice? "Don't let them."


Verla: hehehhehe

HollyByrne: Wow, Verla Slush buster extraordanaire. Thats impressive

dorii: What does 'intrepid' mean?

HollyByrne: It's a car

Verla: I have no idea! LOL

Verla: Looking it up now...

_Ms_SASE: means dauntless

HollyByrne: What's dauntless mean ; )

dorii: Ahhhh: Intrepid: Fearless. Bold. Brave.

Verla: alarmed, anxious,

dorii: LOL

Lyra_: hey, I'm the anxious one--you can't take that title!

Verla: not afraid, bold, fearless, dauntless,very brave

dorii: Our Fearless Leader! The Intrepid Verla!

Verla: HEY! That's me, all right.

HollyByrne: Verla the Intrepid

_Ms_SASE: You are the brave-est of them all, Verla

Verla: Hmmm. The Intrepid Leader, eh?

Verla: Okay, everyone...we are going to have to "wing" this workshop tonight, since our "real" fearless leader has had an emergency and can't be here.

Verla: Who has sold non-fiction besides Kate and I?

_Ms_SASE: I have

Lyra_: Do writing articles and book articles count as non-fiction?

HollyByrne: I want to, does that count?

dorii: Yes, Holly, that counts

Verla: GREAT! You have just been recruited as "co-leaders" of this workshop, SASE and Lyra

Lyra_: I sold a quiz once, too...not sure how that counts

Verla: Yes, lyra. It counts

dorii: Congrats, Holly! You are a co-leader, too.

Lyra_: But I have not written biographies or educational non-fiction

*** Verla has set the topic on channel #Kidlit to Creating Exciting Non-Fiction Workshop in Progress

Verla: That's okay, lyra. There are lots of kinds of non-fiction.

Lyra_: ok

Katej: yes, Lyra, it counts

Verla: And that is my first question. How many different kinds of Non-Fiction can you think of?

dorii: The only non-fiction I do is balancing my checkbook.... hmmmmm.... or is that fiction?

HollyByrne: LOL Dori, mine is fantasy

NOTE: LOL = Laughing Out Loud

Katej: different kinds? hmmmm

Verla: We know there are biographies

Lyra_: The non-fiction articles I've written have sprouted from my fiction career

_Ms_SASE: Curriculum, science stuff, crafts, how-to

Verla: right, SASE

Verla: And there are books about nature

dorii: History?

Verla: yes, history

Katej: political

dorii: How to

Verla: good!

Katej: reporting

dorii: Technical

dorii: text books

dorii: Informational

_Ms_SASE: health stuff is popular, and technology

HollyByrne: I want to write a non-fiction article about this amazing 10 yr old magician. He is really good.

Lyra_: great idea, Holly

HollyByrne: Only, I don't know how to make it really exciting

Verla: Good comment, Holly. Let's explore that for a minute. IS it possible to write non-fiction so it's not boring and dry?

Katej: Verla: yes

Katej: Holly, it's like any other kind of writing ...

Katej: you start at the beginning, get a middle, and end at the end <g>

Verla: Right. Just like in a story, kate.

dorii: I don't see it that way, Kate. As soon as I think of writing non-fiction, I stiffen up, verbally

Verla: Good point, Dori!

_Ms_SASE: Absolutely, it helps it you love your can't be bored by it

Katej: Ms_SASE has a very good point: if you're bored by the subject, you can't write about it very well.

Verla: right, kate and SASE

DonnaSmith: Mine sounds like the encyclopedia

dorii: It scares me

Verla: I always thought non-fiction was BORING with all capital letters!

Verla: I hated the very THOUGHT of it

Verla: Imagine my SHOCK when I realized I had written a story and it wasn't a story at all..but was NON-FICTION!!!!

dorii: But yours is different, Verla

Katej: ok, Dori.. WHY is Verla's different?

dorii: I don't think of Verla's books as non-fiction

_Ms_SASE: I teach kids nonfiction as part of my adult non-fiction classes, to make the writers learn to write tight and have fun.

Katej: but why don't you think of them as non-fiction? what differentiates them from what you think IS non-fiction?

_Ms_SASE: Your books epitomize tight writing and having fun with non-fiction, Verla

dorii: Did you realize that, Verla, or did someone point it out to you?

Verla: I was writing a fictional story revolving around the building of the transcontinental railroad. After the story was done, I was looking at it to make sure all the elements of a good story were there...and I suddenly realized I had NO main character. (Except the train.)

Verla: It was totally non-fiction. Shocked me half to death.

Katej: Let me ask you, any of you:

Katej: Have you read any of the business magazines? Forbes, Fortune, BusinessWeek?

Verla: I have, kate

Verla: (but not lately)

Lyra_: I haven't, Kate

dorii: I'm not a business mag reader,unfortunately

Katej: Ok, Verla. Open up one of those magazines, and what do you find inside?

Verla: facts

dorii: (boring facts?)

Verla: lol good one, dori

Katej: Stories! They use stories around facts, to make it interesting!

Lyra_: interesting point, mean stories about people in finance?

Katej: They talk about people, about conflicts..

Katej: Lyra, the stories about people, about different things in the business world...

Verla: Right.

Verla: Kids won't sit still for boring facts

Katej: Adults won't sit still for boring facts, either!

Verla: Elements of non-fiction need to have the same interesting "pull" as a fiction story

Verla: clear, simple, specific language

Verla: a lively, reader-involved beginning

Verla: Showing rather than telling

dorii: A problem, a sequence of events to solve that problem

Verla: using sensory details to liven it up

dorii: When I think of 'story,' I think of 'plot.' Non-fiction doesn't have a plot, does it?

Katej: Well, Dori, that's a good question. What IS plot, exactly?

Verla: right, dori

_Ms_SASE: Plot is the sequence of events, so relating an event or a personal experience would have a plot

Verla: And in non-fiction, you are going to solve a problem, too. A problem of lack of knowledge...

dorii: So how does non-fiction fit in that plot scheme?

Katej: think about an article you read recently in the newspaper

Katej: what made the article interesting?

Verla: You need a beginning of the article. Something that will make the reader want to read on.

Lyra_: Once a STORY is involved, some personal part, I become interested

Katej: right

DonnaSmith: I like non-fiction that has a little humor entwined into it

Katej: good, Donna.

Lyra_: Like when a speaker is talking about ANY topic, once they tell the specific stories involved, I'm enthralled

Verla: Tease them by telling them what you are going to tell them...then tell them what they wanted to hear...then end by telling them what you told them. Wrap it up for them.

dorii: I actually have a difficult time even READING non-fiction. It must be my brain...

Katej: dori, I bet if you found the "right" non-fiction, you wouldn't want to stop!

Lyra_: I don't choose to read non-fiction as a rule (except biographies) which is why I don't think to write non-fiction books

Verla: Make it FUN, dori and you won't care if it's fiction or non-fiction. You will read it.

Katej: right, Verla.

_Ms_SASE: Most of us read nonfiction all the time, that is how we research

dorii: But when I think of writing, "How a Squirrel Gathers Nuts," I go, "yawn."

Verla: The subject has to be INTERESTING to the writer, Dori...or it won't work.

Verla: Now, if you were to write about something you absolutely LOVED, you wouldn't be bored.

Katej: absolutely, Verla!

Verla: And neither would your readers!

dorii: Verla, did you love trains when you wrote your book?

Katej: but even when you love it, you still have to write well.

Lyra_: I've written many articles on the series books I collect--guess they'd be non-fiction

Katej: Yes, Lyra.

Verla: Yes, I did, dori. I was totally FACINATED by the building of that they laborously drilled through the mountains, sometimes only moving a few inches a day!

Katej: I think the point of non-fiction is to tell people ABOUT something, or someone... something they might not know already

dorii: Maybe that's my problem. Maybe I don't have enough 'passions.'

Verla: How the Chinese were lowered in baskets down the side of a cliff to drill and blast for a trainbed...

_Ms_SASE: And you have to give them a reason to want to know it

Katej: dori, what are you passionate about?

Katej: very good point, SASE

_Ms_SASE: And you have to present it in an easily consumable form

Verla: You just haven't found the right subject yet, dori. Do you love flowers? Decorating? Painting? Clothes? Shopping? Eating? Chocolate?

dorii: Kate, all the things I really like a very mundane... gardening, reading...

Katej: do you read any gardening magazines, or articles?

_Ms_SASE: I have seen some really fun kids nonfiction on gardening

Verla: But those are great non-fiction topics, too, dori. And a child who lives in the city, might love to find out more about gardening.

Katej: yes, gardening articles can be very interesting and exciting!

dorii: So I have to find my passions

Katej: there's an endless variety of gardening-related topics

_Ms_SASE: Little kids love plants...the idea of something growing because they are helping it.

Verla: Yup. Gail wrote a GREAT one on how to raise red worms for a compost pile. I was riveted all the way through it.

dorii: I loved Gail's article, and really admire her for writing it. I just don't think I could do that.

dorii: I'm serious. It's as if non-fiction is 'right-brained' and I'm 'left-brained.'

Lyra_: dori, I don't have many non-fiction topic interests either

Verla: You can write about dirt, dori! What kinds of dirt make the best garden plots and why. Or a simple How To book on growing a miniature garden in a pot on the porch.

Lyra_: In fact I've been thinking I should take up fencing or something interesting to widen my scope

Verla: These are all things kids are interested in.

dorii: But that doesn't excite me, Verla, the way fiction does

Verla: lol You have lots of talents.

DonnaSmith: When you submit non-fiction, do they usually want photos, too?

Lyra_: fiction is my love, too...

Verla: I understand, dori. But...what about writing your non-fiction as if it WERE fiction?

Lyra_: I think you need to write non-fiction as if it WERE fiction

dorii: I think I'll always be a fiction writer, but I like to hear about non-fiction, and how it's done

Lyra_: And it seems the publishers want the action and dialogue for non-fiction they get for fiction...daunting

_Ms_SASE: Donna, the need for photos is not universal, I have sold more nonfiction without than with

Verla: Take a child with a problem...he wants a garden, but there's no place for him to garden. You can write the story in such a way that the child learns all about growing a container garden on a rooftop...but he THINKS he's just hearing about Jorge's problem and how he solved it.

Katej: I had a problem with that article I mentioned above because of pictures.

Lyra_: how so, Kate?

Katej: Lyra, the newspaper wanted pictures. I'm not a photographer. The people putting on the event were taking pictures. I found out later they were LOUSY photographers.

Katej: Finally, the editor of the newspaper just asked me for a photo of myself to print with the article.

Verla: Children want to know about everything. How a flower grows, why it dies. Do dogs dream? How does a motor work? What makes a rainbow? Where did money come from?

Verla: Why do parents always say, "you're not old enough, yet?"

Verla: Non-fiction is a BIG part of the book market.

Katej: Dori, take a look at this website to see how gardening can be handled:


Verla: It's easier to sell non-fiction than fiction, for the most part.

_Ms_SASE: The children's market is much hungrier for good non-fiction, I find it easier to sell

Katej: any good story, fiction or non-fiction, has a beginning "hook"

Verla: Ever read an article in a magazine? Because it caught your eye?

Katej: something to keep the reader reading

Verla: Yes, kate. A good hook.

Lyra_: yes--often the topic sounds intriguing

DonnaSmith: or interesting photos that catch your eye

Verla: Like...15 ways to make your husband leave you alone when you want to chat...

Nchanted: And how to pry kids off your shoulder blades, don't forget!

Verla: I bet a lot of us would read THAT article!

dorii: LOL

Katej: lol, Verla!

dannu: lol, Verla

Katej: Here's the first line of a non-fiction article I wrote:

Katej: "It can't receive a fax, and it can't wash dishes."

Katej: do you want to know more? want to know what "it" is? <BG>?

NOTE: BG = Big Grin

dorii: yes, kate

DonnaSmith: I do

Verla: Yes, kate.

Verla: That's a "hook." Something that catches readers' interest and makes them want to read more.

Lyra_: making someone CURIOUS is always a good hook

Verla: right, lyra

Katej: It was a story about a "Technology Day" event for Deaf and hard of hearing people

Katej: and I fervently hope that hook kept people reading to the end!

Lyra_: I'm sure it did, Kate

dorii: Sounds good, Kate

Katej: and I had FUN writing it!

Verla:'s an exercise for all of us...write a first sentence about some subject...anything you want...that you think would pull in a child's attention and make them want to read about a subject.

Verla: You can pick anything you'd like...

Verla: Ants, bugs, flowers, sibling rivalry, etc

Verla: It can be a title for your article, too.

Verla: Like the one I gave you earlier.

Katej: "Jennifer chose her best dress for her first day of school."

Katej: that could be a non-fiction article about what kids do on their first day at school

Verla: Hmmm. I want more from that one, kate. Why should I care about Jennifer and her dress?

_Ms_SASE: "Your body makes many sounds."

Katej: ooooh, I like that one, SASE!

Verla: I like that, sase....

Lyra_: cute, MS

Katej: lol

Verla: Good point, sase

Katej :-)

Lyra_: makes me remember my Grandma (g)

_Ms_SASE: Hey, kids like anything that might turn gross.

Katej: oops! I don't think my example was very good! I'll defer to SASE <G>

Nchanted: "The last time I saw it, it looked more 'lifeless' than 'a lifesaver'."

Verla: Good one, enchanted!

Verla: More please? Dori? Give me something....

dorii: "Have you ever tasted a worm?"

dorii: The End

DonnaSmith: yuck

Katej: there you go, Dori!!!!

Verla: there's a GREAT lead, dori!

Verla: Every kid would read that one!

Lyra_: good, dori (and the answer is NO!)

Katej: I can just see my daughter going, YUCK!!

Verla: lol

Verla: and then reading to find out if the writer really DID eat a worm, right, kate?

dorii: Oh, no! I have to, Verla?

dorii: All in the name of research

Verla: No, dori. You do NOT>

Katej: but dori, that could be the beginning of an article about different bugs that people eat... or about a class whose teacher gave them extra cred for eating worms (I actually read this)

Verla: YUK, kate!

Katej: seriously! It was in the paper, fairly recently. A teacher gave the kids extra credit if they would eat the worms, or whatever bugs it was.

Katej: Yes, Verla.

dorii: That teacher was sadistic

Katej: he wanted them to know about different kinds of foods people eat around the world, or something like that

dorii: like chocolate covered ants

dorii: and we love them

Verla: SEE dori? You have it now!

Verla: did you know that little black ants taste peppery?

dorii: how would I know that, Verla?

Verla: My husband ate some on a dare when he was a kid, and he told me so.

Verla: I should put THAT into an article, eh?

Lyra_: definitely unusual

Verla: yup

_Ms_SASE: Did y'all eat some together after that as a bonding experience, Verla?

Verla: NO, SASE

_Ms_SASE: Too bad, you had me really interested for a minute there :-)

Verla: My father ate beetles

Verla: when he was a prisoner of war in a German Prison camp in WWII

Katej: Verla, would be an interesting article! Find other people who have eaten ants or bugs, and talk about how they taste

_Ms_SASE: Now that would make a great story, Verla

dorii: There you go, Verla. And you can have my worms, too

Katej: lol!

dorii: Did you ever look at a live shrimp?

_Ms_SASE: Right dori, sea roaches

Verla: One of my favorite things is seahorses. I LOVE the fact that the FATHER actually gives birth to the babies instead of the mother.

Katej: poor dori!

dorii: The only reason I regret not having an interest in writing non-fiction at this time, is because the market is so good for non-fiction

Verla: I found so many fun facts about animals that I wrote a non-fiction picture book called Curious Creatures - of course, it hasn't sold yet....

Lyra_: I just don't have enough interest in facts...although enjoying hearing them from clever writers

Katej: ok, lyra. what are facts? what do you think of when you think of facts?

Verla: But YOU write a different kind of non-fiction, lyra. You write articles about writing for children.

Lyra_: I think of dates, numbers, and scientific names for things (facts)

Lyra_: (dori, we are the non-fact twins)

dorii: LOL

Verla: But facts can also be just fun stuff you like, lyra.

Katej: right, lyra. But if they were in the stories, they could be made interesting!

Lyra_: I know they can be FUN because I see other writers manage this

Katej: facts are also people

Verla: yep.

Lyra_: I am always interested in people...

Katej: and how they feel, how they respond to things

dorii: Maybe I don't have a good sense of curiosity

Katej: what they want, what they don't want

Verla: Okay...once you have a "hook" then you get to tell the kids about your subject.

Katej: right, Verla.

Verla: You want it to be interesting, so they aren't bored like YOU used to be!

dorii: the boring stuff, right?

Katej: if you write it right, it won't be boring!

Verla: Use the same things you use in a good story. Ancedotes, dialogue, humor.

Lyra_: Can anyone touch on using dialogue in non-fiction and/or biographies...seems this is a gray area

Katej: I think non-fiction is much more interesting when it contains actual quotes

Verla: right. I'd LOVE to see a "non-fiction" article from you, Dori, on the horses...

Verla: the milk horse, the rag horse, etc.

Lyra_: hey--an ABC book of horses? go for it, dori!

dorii: Verla, that started as non-fiction... but i couldn't do it. It turned BY ITSELF in to fiction

Verla: You could bring that little piece of history alive for kids.

Verla: LOL

_Ms_SASE: That sounds like it would be fascinating.

dorii: Which brings up another problem.... research

Katej: what's the problem?

Verla: She wrote a great fictional story...but the non-fiction one would be super.

Lyra_: The web is great for research

Verla: #1...NOT all research is done in a library

dorii: I couldn't find what I was looking for... specific times, etc

_Ms_SASE: I love research ... then I write so I can get paid to satisfy my curiosity.

Verla: As a matter of fact, publishers prefer that you use other sources!

_Ms_SASE: I think of it like being a detective

Verla: Good attitude, SASE

Katej: research can be interviewing people

Verla: Yes, and also your OWN experiences count, too. Like your own personal knowledge of gardening, dori

Lyra_: When I've gone to the library for non-fiction, I ended up in the kids' section as easier to gather facts there

DonnaSmith: Do you include websites in your bibliography?

Verla: Hmmm. I haven't, donna.

Lyra_: interesting quesetion, Donna!

Lyra_: of course some websites changes quicker than street addresses

_Ms_SASE: The only time I have is in on-line non-fiction

Verla: Some of my research has been really FUN. Like...I went to the zoo....and a train museum, and visited Sutter's Fort...

Verla: I went to Indian museums...

Lyra_: I probably wouldn't use an online website UNLESS it was from recorded records (like magazine, articles)

ReaderRabb: The web has over 1,000,000 sites. How do you know when you are done researching on the web?

Katej: reader, how do you know when you done researching in the library?

Lyra_: I suppose when you have enough facts to write the story, Reader

ReaderRabb: There are only so many books in a library

Katej: well, unless you are writing on a highly specialized topic, there is always more information than you are going to use in your article.

Katej: and you have to stop sometime.

Verla: You stop when you have enough to write what you want to write, Reader

_Ms_SASE: You have to be careful not to let research become a procrastination tool to avoid writing

Verla: Yes, SASE

dorii: I think I have to learn to do effective research on the web

Katej: dori, that's something that takes practice.

DonnaSmith: I wrote an article on things to do in the summer with your kids, that research was fun!

Lyra_: great topic, Donna

DonnaSmith: It ran in Sunday's paper

Verla: Great, Donna!

DonnaSmith: on the front page! I about died

Katej: that's wonderful, Donna!

dorii: Wonderful, Donna! That's great!

DonnaSmith: thank you

Katej: research can be your own life (I'm thinking of an article I am going to write a query on)

Verla: Personal experience is fun research.

Verla: If you were going to do an article on gardening, dori...all of the plants you buy and the gardens you visit are research

Katej: right. Research isn't necessarily boring and dry. And non-fiction doesn't have to be boring and dry either.

Verla: can be VERY fun.

dorii: So, tell us about the middle

Katej: the middle? that's where all the research goes! <G>

Verla: Once you have your subject, you need an "approach"

Verla: How will you tell about this subject? Are you going to tell How a garden grows? What kind of plants to put in it? How to make one? or are you going to limit your article/story to ONE plant?

Verla: You have to plan your "focus" for your article. Exactly WHAT do you want to tell your readers?

_Ms_SASE: The middle is where I have to decide all the lovely facts I can't tell because they are off the focus

Verla: Then, you tell them. Your first attempt will probably be lousy!

dorii: you got it, Verla

Katej: and, dori, so will the second, third, and fourth!

dorii: and the second.... and the third...

Katej: but you keep writing! the same as with fiction!

Verla: You take it and examine it. What parts of it do you think are really interesting? Does it say what you want it to?

Verla: Are there "holes" in it?

Katej: and rewriting

Verla: Plug the holes, cut out the boring stuff.

_Ms_SASE: Sometimes the writing sends me back to more research when I see something I should have known, but didn't

Katej: tighten up the writing

Verla: Do it again, yes, kate!

Verla: Right, SASE

dorii: okay, can I give you an example?

Verla: Please do, dori.

dorii: A quilt is made up of fabric, first cut into shapes, then patched together. It's all held together by tiny, hand stitches.

dorii: Now, to me, that's boring

Verla: Then, once you have the article basically written, it needs a satisfying ending, just like a fictional story.

Verla: Okay...Let's take that and "spice" it up, Dori.

dorii: ok, please!

Verla: Rewrite that so it's FUN for kids to read.

dorii: show me

Lyra_: Calico, denim, lace, gingham...colorful patterns weave together to make a rainbow quilt...

Katej: ok, how about talking about them making squares out of their old clothes?

Verla: Susan cut her new dress up into tiny squares.

_Ms_SASE: Making a quilt is a great way to save bits of your favorite clothes. You know, the ones mom has been trying to get you to throw away.

Verla: Good idea, SASE.

Lyra_: Adding a child to it, like Verla did, is a good way

Katej: the old clothes which have memories

Lyra_: Interesting how we all come up with different angles (g)

Katej: the green dress which you wore only to church, or the blue jeans which you wore out on the playground

_Ms_SASE: "And when you are done, you can sleep under your memories."

Katej: neat, SASE!

Lyra_: nice ending line! Steal it, dori! Hurry before Ms writes this article herself!

Katej: lol

Verla: Save your favorite jeans from the trash can by cutting them into tiny squares. Stitch them together with pieces of your sister's old dress and you can have a quilt of your own that is very special.

Katej: and no one else will have a quilt exactly like yours

_Ms_SASE: In a how-to, it is good to be conversational...and to sound more like a big sister than a teacher.

Katej: or ask your mother and grandmother for some of their old clothes

Verla: Your ending must be something that ties everything together for the reader and makes the reader go away feeling like, "Wow. I really learned something neat."

Katej: right, Verla. and SASE's line does just that

Verla: Yes, SASE's example was a perfect one.

Verla bows to SASE

Lyra_: I agree (bowing, and bumping Verla's head)

_Ms_SASE: Y'all are making me nervous...did I drop my glasses again?

Katej: SASE, probably. <g>

Lyra_: Maybe challenge the kid reader to go on a fabric scavenger hunt--what material can they find?

Verla: Great idea, lyra.

Katej: non-fiction articles are not about preaching

Katej: they're about giving people information

Lyra_: in an entertaining, fun way

Katej: right, Lyra.

Verla: Wow. Our hour is up, folks...any more questions? (And for those who came in late, we had to "makeshift" tonight, since Adrianne's brother was in an accident and she had to run to the hospital and couldn't be here to lead tonight's workshop.

Katej: our hour is up? where did the time go?

Verla: uh...into cyber space, I think, Kate.

Lyra_: applause for us all--we did this together!

_Ms_SASE: This was fun

Katej claps

Katej: yes, SASE, it was

Verla: And we will ask Adrianne to "redo" this for us another night.

Verla: Because I know she would have had a lot of information to add to this!

Katej: it will be interesting to see how she approaches this subject

ClaraRose: very very good for such short notice.... I had no idea!

Verla: Anyone else have any comments or questions?

Lyra_: I actually just had an idea for a WRITING nonfiction article from this discussion (g)

Verla: Great, lyra!

Katej: oh, good, Lyra!

_Ms_SASE: Great Lyra

Lyra_: One that I can try to send to SCBWI...I like to try them first

Verla: You can even write an article on how hard it is to write non-fiction, dori.

DonnaSmith: I'm changing the beginning of the one I'm working on now.

Verla: Good, Donna.

Verla: I know you won't have to research much to write THAT article, Dori! LOL

dorii: Thank you, Kate. That was great. You, too, Verla, and lyra and SASE

Lyra_: thanking all of us (g)

Katej: thank YOU, dori. You had good questions. Made me think.

Verla: thanks for helping us with your great input and questions, everyone.

Lyra_: It's amazing how interesting we can be when we focus on one topic

DonnaSmith: This has been VERY helpful.

Katej: good, Donna

DonnaSmith: No more boring non-fiction from me! :)

Katej: even better, Donna!

Verla: I'm glad, Donna. (And I won't tell you how much I panicked when I got Adrianne's Email just one hour before tonight's workshop was scheduled to begin! LOL)

Katej: lol

DonnaSmith: I bet!

Lyra_: I knew she would panic (g)

_Ms_SASE: Poor Verla, you rallied well

Verla: It would have been fine if it was a subject I felt more secure in...

Nchanted: I got here a couple minutes late and didn't know --- Well Done!

Verla: lol Thanks, Enchanted.

Katej: Well, I'm glad I got home in time to help, Verla.

Katej: thanks, Nchanted.

Verla: Me, too, Kate. And you, too, lyra and SASE

Verla: I think we made a great team.

Lyra_: the bill's in the mail (weg)

NOTE: weg = Wicked Evil Grin


Verla: hehehhe

Katej: lyra, it's a virtual check winging its' way <weg>

Verla: Oh, cute, kate.

Katej: lol

DonnaSmith: Well, I'm going to work on that non-fiction piece! Goodnight everyone.

Lyra_: catching the virtual check and cashing it in a virtual bank, then spending it virtually everywhere

Verla: night, Donna. Let us hear about it when it sells!

DonnaSmith: I will!

Verla: Lyra. THAT'S a great subject for you to write on....

Lyra_: what?

Katej: Verla, that was fun! Thanks for asking me to help.

Lyra_: virtually nothing?

Katej: lol!

Lyra_: me? for what market?

Verla: The Virtual World of Writers

Verla: The CHAT scene...

Verla: hehehhe

Verla: Thanks so much, kate.

Katej: and it's not boring, see... non-fiction can be exciting!

Verla: hehhhe

Katej: Verla, this was fun. Thanks, again

_Ms_SASE: Thanks for a great time

Katej: night, SASE. Thanks for all your input.

Verla: night, SASE

_Ms_SASE: Happy to be involved

Nchanted: Well, time to trot. Thanks to all for the good info.

Nchanted: Nite all!

Lyra_: night

Verla: Night, everyone. Remember, we have these topic workshops just once a week. The rest of the week, we relax and chat casually.


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