with Greg Fishbone, Esq
Verla: Tem...you going to put on your "fancy duds" for the workshop?
tem2: I've got my Marx Brothers t-shirt and a pair of pants with no holes in the knees.
tem2: Um...was I supposed to?
Verla waits for tem to put on his "workshop" clothes so people will know who he is....
Windy2u: Tux time!
Verla: There's a dressing room over THERE, tem! YIKES!
Verla: NOT HERE!
Windy2u: No here!!
tem2: Oh, pardon.
*** tem2 is now known as Greg
*** Greg is now known as GregF
Verla: Hooray! Our guest of honor is HERE
Verla: we still have six lost workshops (I was DUMB and somehow destroyed them before getting them edited and posted on the website!)
Verla: They were GOOD ones, too. (Of course, when I stop and think about it, ALL of them have been "good" ones!)
Windy2u: You always do such a good job...accidents happen!
Verla: It wasn't an accident, Windy. It was sheer stupidity on my part
Windy2u: It was an accident. Don't be so hard on yourself.
Verla: I know! I'll just "rebook" them and we'll all do them over again. Okay, Greg? (Greg's was one of the lost ones.)
Sisabelle: Are we workshopping?
Verla: yes, sisa. Any second
Sisabelle: okay thanks Verla
Verla: Okay...here we go
*** Verla has set the topic on channel #kidlit to Writing Humor workshop IN PROGRESS
GregF: Hooray for Progress
GregF: Is it hot in here, or is it just me?
Windy2u: Just you.
GregF: You say the sweetest things, Windy.
Windy2u: Hi mel.
NOTE: LOL = Laughing Out Loud
MelLane: Hey, Windy!
Verla: Tonight's workshop is being led by our very own "Tem" Greg Fishbone, Esq.
Verla: Greg Fishbone is an attorney, website designer, former Chapterhouse Press publisher, and editor emeritus of Mythic Heroes magazine. What spare time he has is devoted to writing YA novels. In 1999, Greg and two co-authors were finalists in the Delacorte Press contest for first young adult novelists for the (still forthcoming) "HOW TO BECOME A SUPERHERO (IN TEN EASY STEPS!)".
Verla: Greg is a member of the OPUS email-based critique group for children's and young adult literature, for which he offers the following obligatory plug: Ask me about OPUS! We now return you to your regularly scheduled bio.
Verla: Greg lives in cyberspace, practices law in Massachusetts, and writes by laptop in coffee houses around the Boston area.
GregF: (Gotta revise that -- I've dropped out of OPUS)
Verla: Okay, everyone. Here are the "rules" for tonight:
Verla: Welcome to our weekly Kidlit Workshop. We ask that you hold all personal chit-chat until the hour is up, but Please! Free free to join in the topic currently under discussion.
Verla passes out silly string, party hats and noisemakers for the end of the workshop. (Confetti, too.)
MelLane grabs the purple.
GregF hands out Groucho glasses.
Verla: and hand the mike to Greg...
Verla: I give you....GREG!
GregF: Thanks, Verla!
Verla: Whistle WHISTLE Stomp stomp stomp CLAP CLAP
GregF: Is this thing on?
GregF: Dilbert creator Scott Adams gave me the most brilliant advice I've ever gotten, on any subject, in my entire life. I asked him what I had to do to become a successful humorist, and he said...
GregF: "Be funny."
GregF: That's why Mr. Adams makes the big bucks.
MelLane: Wow. Such depth.
Verla: LOL You ARE, Greg. :-)
NOTE: :-) = a smiley face on its side
GregF: If you want to write humor... just be funny.
Verla: ah, but "just being funny" is easier in person than on paper, greg
GregF: Wow, that was an easy workshop -- did you get that all logged okay, Verla?
Verla glares at Greg. You are NOT done, sir!
GregF: Shucks, I knew she wouldn't let me off that easy!
Verla: heh heh heh
MelLane: She never lets ANYONE off easy, Greg.
Verla: (He IS funny, isn't he, folks?)
GregF: (Yes, Verla, but looks aren't everything.)
Verla: (I think he is giving us a "lesson" in humor in his comments, folks....)
GregF: Okay then, I'll give you... THE FIVE STEPS OF HUMOR WRITING.
Verla: Yeah! I like steps. I can follow steps.
MelLane: Define funny. grin.
GregF: WRITING HUMOR, STEP ONE: Requisition a sense of humor.
GregF: You'll find that a sense of humor is invaluable in making other people laugh. Fortunately, most humans come fully equipped with one. Others opt for tinted windows and a power sunroof instead.
Verla: (erk! Legaleese talk!)
GregF: So, as Mel asked, let's define "funny".
GregF: I have a theory of humor that I've developed from countless Bugs Bunny cartoons and episodes of M*A*S*H.
GregF: Humor is a mixture of logic and absurdity, in precise proportions to cause a meltdown in the human brain.
GregF: Some of us are naturally skewed more toward logic, or more toward absurdity. That's why there's no single joke that *everyone* will laugh at.
Verla: errrr, could you give us some concrete examples of that, Greg?
GregF: Which part, the logic or the absurdity?
GregF: An example of absurdity is the 16-ton weight.
Verla: You mean the one that always gets Wiley Coyote?
GregF: It's not funny when you drop a 15-ton weight on someone's head -- but a 16-ton weight is hilarious!
GregF: A 16-ton weight is absurd!
Verla: huh? I didn't understand that, greg. Why?
Dani257: Hmm, would a 17 ton weight be hysterical?
GregF: No, 17-tons is one ton too many.
Verla: what's the difference between a 15 ton and 16 ton weight?
GregF: Verla: About 2000 pounds.
Verla: I don't get it, Greg.
Dani257: (I think it's a joke)
Verla: why is one funny and the other not?
Guest0637: It's because some numbers, some words, some letters such as "K" are funny, right?
Sisabelle: Robert Munsch has said that 17 is the funniest number... that's why he likes to use it
Verla: the letter K is funny?
GregF: Guest: Yes! K-words are 3.6 times funnier than J-words and 5.2 times funnier than F-words.
Verla sits back to listen, cause she is NOT understanding this.
Guest0637: Yes, I read it in a humor book the other day. Words with K or the K sound are funny.
GregF: Absurdity is hard to figure...but I can give you some examples of logic.
GregF: In fact, I've got a logic quiz for you guys.
Dani257: But, I didn't study!
GregF: Logic Question #1: How do you get an elephant into the refrigerator?
Lyra_ heh heh heh
Verla: Open the door?
Guest0637: open the door and put him in
Sisabelle: open the door and ask him to come in
Dani257: Open the door, and have peanuts inside
Klay: open the door and stuff him in
Verla: (I think we all win!)
MelLane: Put peanuts on the handle
GregF: You guys are good, but you haven't gotten the entire answer yet...
GregF: Answer: Open the refrigerator door, put the elephant into the refrigerator, and close the refrigerator door.
GregF: You have to close the fridge when you're done, or else the elephant won't stay cold.
GregF: Logic Question #2: How do you get a giraffe into the refrigerator?
Sisabelle: the same refrigerator?
GregF: Sisa: I can only afford the one.
Guest0637: take out the elephant and put in the giraffe?
GregF: Guest: yes!
Dani257: The same way as the elephant?
Klay: tell him the elephant's having a party
Verla: Open the refrigerator door, take out the elephant, put the giraffe into the refrigerator, and close the refrigerator door.
Guest0637: go verla!
GregF: Verla: Awesome. You're very logical.
Windy2u: You only have to tell her once.!!
Verla: (I work lots of logic problems. Ask lyra. She knows.)
MelLane: That's why she's the fearless leader -
GregF: Next question...
GregF: Logic Question #3: If the lion called a meeting for all the animals in the jungle, which one would not attend?
Verla: The lion's wife?
Guest0637: the giraffe?
Guest0637: Is he still in the fridge?
GregF: Guest: You got it!
Verla: LOL Guest! You are GOOD!
MelLane: Who is this masked Guest anyway?
Guest0637: Ha! This is my first chat ever
Windy2u: We're in the company of greatness!!!
Dani257 flunked logic
GregF: Last one...
GregF: Logic Question #4: How do you cross a crocodile-infested river?
Verla: Very VERY carefully!
Guest0637: very carefully?
MelLane: You don't.
GregF: Is that your final answer?
Verla: ON a bridge!
Verla: Fly over it
MelLane: Or you swing over it.
Verla: Walk on the backs of the crocs?
GregF: Answer: Just walk across. All the crocodiles are meeting with the lion.
Verla: LOL LOL LOL!
GregF: Let's tally up your score...
GregF: If you didn't laugh because, logically, an elephant could never fit in a refrigerator, you probably have too much logic in you.
GregF: If you didn't laugh because it made perfect sense to remove the elephant before adding the giraffe, you probably have too much absurdity.
Verla: so what you have done, is taken LOGIC and sent it one step further than it should go
GregF: If you found any of the answers amusing in any way, you just might have a sense of humor! Congratulations!
GregF: Verla: It's logical, but twisted.
MelLane: I found them all amusing.
Verla: and smiles at all the other chuckling faces
Dani257: Oh, I can do twisted
Guest0637: me too. I knew I had a sense of humor. Now I need to find someone with one like mine!
Sisabelle: exactly guest!
GregF: What you try to do is make a logic system outside of the one your readers are exepcting.
Verla: So that your logic, while it makes perfect sense, will surprise and delight your readers?
GregF: Verla: Yes, and that's where the absurdity comes in.
Sisabelle: What if your sense of humor is not exactly mainstream?
NOTE: This question was not answered at this time
GregF: Now that you have a sense of humor, it's time for step two.
GregF: WRITING HUMOR, STEP TWO: Understand the mechanics of writing.
Verla: Hooray! Step two.
GregF: More logic for you: If you can't write, you can't write humor.
Verla: Ah...the nuts and bolts of good writing.
GregF: No matter how silly your subject matter is, you must still obey the rules of grammar, syntax, and dramatic structure.
Guest0637: MAKES SENSE.
GregF: Unless bad grammar is part of the joke, of course.
Verla: except when you are doing dialogue, Greg.
GregF: Verla: That's also true of any writing.
GregF: But we can leave all that writing mechanics stuff to a non-humor, serious workshop.
GregF: WRITING HUMOR, STEP THREE: Understand the mechanics of humor.
Guest0637: oh boy!
GregF: Anyone know how a joke is structured?
Verla: Beg - mid - end ?
Verla: set up the joke situation
Verla: tell the joke
Verla: throw out the punch line
GregF: You've got one step too many, Verla.
Verla: WHAT happened to the rule of threes, then????
Verla: rats. I thought I had that one right
GregF: The rule of threes works differently in humor...we'll get to that in step five.
deetie: you go boy
GregF: The anatomy of a joke is...two parts. Setup and punchline.
GregF: (SETUP) A horse walks into a bar and the bartender says...
Verla waits patiently (something that being a writer has taught her VERY well)
GregF: (PUNCHLINE) "Why the long face?"
Guest0637: I'm a horse?
GregF: (SETUP) Did you ever wonder...
GregF: (PUNCHLINE) ...why we drive on parkways and park on driveways?
GregF: (SETUP) Take my wife...
GregF: (PUNCHLINE) ...please!
GregF: Or husband, as the case may be.
Verla: Or...(SETUP) How can you tell the difference between a dead snake in the middle of the road and a dead lawyer in the middle of the road?
Verla: (PUNCHLINE) There's skid marks in front of the snake
GregF: Now you've got it!
Verla: (Greg is a lawyer, for those who didn't know it...)
GregF: (I think I've either been insulted or threatened...)
MelLane: (probably both -- but don't worry -- Verla'll protect you)
Windy2u: Neither Greg..but I'm laughing V.
GregF: Once you have the structure down, understand that humor writing is different from other forms of humor. All you have are words on a page -- no facial expressions, no silly voices, and no clown makeup.
GregF: Unless you're wearing clown makeup while you're writing.
Amishka: and it drips onto the pages
GregF: Jokes that rely on gestures may not work. Things that are funny in person may not be funny on paper, and vice versa.
Sisabelle: see that made me laugh, absurdity
GregF: Sisa: And you didn't even hear the silly voice I was using.
Verla: But since the reader can't SEE the clown makeup you are wearing while writing, it really doesn't count anyhow, Greg
Amishka: Unless it drips on the paper Verla
GregF: Also, understand that humor writing is NOT just a series of jokes.
GregF: The humor in humor writing comes from the characters and the situations you put them into.
Verla: That's an important fact, Greg!
GregF: I'll repeat it then. Understand that humor writing is NOT just a series of jokes.
Verla: ah...like the old Laurel & Hardy situations...or the Three Stooges...or the Roadrunner and Wiley Coyote situations
GregF: Verla: And the respective character types in those as well.
GregF: Take the character of Jack Benny's persona, for example. What was funny about him?
Guest0637: he was cheap
Sisabelle: he was rude
GregF: Jack Benny was cheap, cheap, cheap! Stingy! Miserly!
Verla: and PROUD of it, Greg
MelLane: Benny was totally overexaggerated and pretended it was normal.
GregF: The classic setup was when a mugger pointed a gun at Jack and demanded, "Your money or your life!"
Guest0637: I'm thinking!
Verla: yeah, guest!
GregF: The punchline was that Jack had to think about which one he wanted to give up!
Verla: Characters seem to be funniest to me when they are exaggerated characatures of real life people in absurd, yet potentially realistic situations.
Verla: (Did that make any sense?)
Dani257: Yes, Verla
Guest0637: made sense to me
GregF: Verla: Not really, but we'll just nod and be polite.
Verla: (I know it wasn't correct spellingwise)
Verla: Ha! SOME people "got it" Greg...
GregF: The setup might be a character's personality, and the punchline something that character does or says.
GregF: Or the setup will be the situation you describe, and the punchline something unexpected that happens next.
GregF: Anyone have an example of that kind?
MelLane: Which kind?
GregF: Either, both, I'm flexible.
GregF: I was thinking about the opening of Douglas Adams' "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy".
MelLane: Please share ---
LadyPen: Hmmm...the story details don't come immediately to mind, but Lily's Purple Plastic purse is full of comedy that plays off her personality.
Verla: "He couldn't understand why his mother was upset. After all, he only blew up the back side of the house..."
GregF: Adams describes a girl sitting by herself in a bar, who suddenly comes to the ultimate solution to making everyone happy -- it's really simple, and "this time no one will have to get nailed to anything".
GregF: Then, he says that "But this is not her story" -- and we don't see her again until the fourth book in the series. :D
Verla: so what was funny about that, greg?
deetie: Can I slap him with a fish?
MelLane: Thank you, Verla, I was wondering.
GregF: I guess you had to be there.
GregF: But it was unexpected.
GregF: Right, moving on!
GregF: WRITING HUMOR, STEP FOUR: Develop your voice.
GregF: Here's a writing exercise for you:
Verla: ah..that elusive thing they all call VOICE
GregF: First, choose your favorite humor writer. Some of mine are Dave Barry, Douglas Adams, Mark Twain, and Dr. Seuss.
Sisabelle: Dave Barry is the BEST!
Dani257: I love Dave Barry
LadyPen: _The Long, Long Letter_ is another comedic play on story based on the situation itself...written in a kind of tall tale style. (by Eliz. Spurr)
Verla: And O Henry
MelLane: I love Mark Twain.
GregF: Write a 500-word story in that author's style. Understand the rhythms, word selection, and paragraph construction that author uses. Get into his/her head. And then...
Guest0637: I love dave too
MelLane: Ah, but the dialect!
Dani257: Hmm, Dave barry's style. 500 words on boogers?
Guest0637: good Dani
MelLane: I never read Barry -- loved the tv show, though.
Verla: We don't have TIME to do this, Greg! We only have an hour. It takes ME about a year to write one hundred words...so in five years, I can have this exercise done...
GregF: No, not right now. Wait until the workshop is over.
GregF: But have it in your mind.
GregF: And then...
GregF: Verla: That's 100 words in your style -- it'd be faster in Dave Barry's style. :D
GregF: But then...
GregF: ...never write in that style again.
Guest0637: good point greg
GregF: Repeat until you've eliminated all styles but your own. You don't want to be "the next Douglas Adams" or "the next Dr. Seuss" -- you want to be yourself.
Verla: ah, that's very true, Greg...
MelLane: Good advice.
GregF: And I'm not making this up!
GregF: HUMOR WRITING, STEP FIVE: Fine tune your style until you get it right.
GregF: No writer, comedian, or clown is consistently funny with every line and every joke. Some of your jokes will miss their target -- learn from this.
GregF: Also, keep in mind that different people have different senses of humor. You can't please everybody all the time.
Verla: like I did with my cryptic rhyme, eh?
GregF: No, that's different. We all want to be "the next Verla Kay".
MelLane: I want to be the next LJ Singleton. I choose to be different. grin.
Verla: But you CAN try to please SOME of the people all of the time. :-)
GregF: Verla: If you can please some of the people all of the time, you've got yourself an audience.
LadyPen: Greg, a nice way to learn from an author's rhythm is to type out the pages.
Verla: oh, very true, lady
GregF: Yes. Rhythm is very important.
GregF: Who here has taken a martial arts class?
Verla: not me, greg
Guest0637: are you kidding. I can barely walk
LadyPen: There's something there that sticks in my brain when I remove the illustrations, you know?
Verla: for some reason, though, when I'm doing that (typing out a page from a work) I ALWAYS want to change some of the words and phrases.
Sisabelle: I've watched dh do many... does that count?
NOTE: dh = Dear Husband
GregF: Sisa: Close enough.
Verla: I've taken Husband Beating 101. Does that count?
LadyPen: Oh, me too, V! Like I have the every right to do so! LOL
GregF: Verla: Where do they teach that?
Verla: Practical Experience classes, Greg.
Verla: It's called Survival of the Fittest
GregF: Okay, I was thinking Continuing Education.
GregF: Anyway, the point I was making about martial arts is that they teach you not to telegraph your punch -- not to let your opponent know what was coming next.
GregF: In humor writing, you want to learn not to telegraph your punchline.
Sisabelle: good point greg
GregF: Lady: A spontaneous, unexpected punchline will have a much better chance of hitting your target.
GregF: If the reader "sees it coming a mile away", it won't be as funny.
LadyPen: Oh, I see...don't let the reader see it coming?
Verla: hmmm. Like...(SETUP)What's the difference between grapes and elephants?
Verla: (PUNCH LINE) Grapes are purple
Verla: Or... (SETUP)What did Tarzan say when he saw a herd of elephants charging at him?
Verla: (PUNCH LINE)Here come the grapes. (He was color blind...)
GregF: Speaking of spontaneous... remember when we talked about the anatomy of a joke?
GregF: Setup and punchline?
Verla: yes ....
Guest0637: so what's the punchline?
Verla: (You have to read BOTH of my jokes to get the second one)
GregF: When you're working on your rhythm, keep that in mind. Setup-punchline, setup-punchline, setup-punchline...
Verla: but...you said a good humor story was NOT just a series of jokes. (Now I am confused....)
GregF: And then break it up. Without variety, rhythm becomes predictable.
Dani257: But some jokes can't hurt, right?
GregF: Verla: That's why you shouldn't just write a series of jokes.
GregF: Dani: Jokes or situation/character humor?
Dani257: Well, throwing in a few jokes could be a good thing
Dani257: As long as that's not all you depend on to make a story funny
GregF: Dani: You can work them in, sure.
LadyPen: Junie B. is an example of situational comedy that stems from her personality, wouldn't it?
GregF: You can also have more than one punchline for a given "setup".
MelLane: I LOVE Junie B!
MelLane: And Amelia Bedelia
GregF: Lady: I'd say so.
LadyPen: Me, too...it's almost a study in understatement because we're clued in to personality.
GregF: Once you've set up the character, anything she does can be a punchline.
^GailM: Kids love Junie B.
GregF: Now I had a note on Verla's Rule of Threes.
Verla: yes! You said you'd get to that in Rule 5
LadyPen: This type of humor really comes through with First-person narration.
GregF: Verla: And that's the step we're on now.
GregF: Threes are very powerful in literary structure.
GregF: Beginning, middle, end.
GregF: Threes can also be funny.
MelLane: tell on, Greg.
GregF: That's why you have a rabbi, a priest, and a minister in a rowboat -- with just two clergy members, or four, you don't have the optimal structure.
Verla: Lots of threes in children's lit. Three little pigs. Three billy goats gruff. Three magic wishes. Three good fairies.
Guest0637: oh, right
GregF: Verla: Yes! What do all those threes have in common?
Verla: Three blind mice, too
Sisabelle: Three is a natural number... I'm going to count to three and you better...
Verla: each one has a different personality, problem, or situation?
whatie: three is a magical number to europeans. it's embued with a lot of mystical significance.
Verla: and the Trinity, too!
GregF: In all of those cases, the THIRD element is different from the other two. The third pig's house holds up, the third billy goat can beat up the troll, the third wish sets it all right...
LadyPen: Greg...tests, struggles, predictability...
LadyPen: Comparatives and Superlatives
^GailM: The Native American's in this area used four as their mystical number. Interesting, what?
GregF: The FIRST element establishes a rule. The SECOND follows that rule. The THIRD breaks the rule -- it's different and unexpected.
whatie: I've heard religious scholars arguing heatedly over whether there's a Trinity because three is a mystical significant number, or if 3 is so significant because of the Trinity :)
whatie: aye.... four is THEIR number.
MelLane: I vote for the latter, whatie.
Verla: You WOULD, mel! LOL
Verla: Awk! Our hour is about UP!
Guest0637: no, way!
GregF: Already? Keen! I mean...awww!
Verla: Anything in closing, Greg?
GregF: In closing, I wanted to mention something to avoid in writing humor.
^GailM: I have plenty of time to think while working this job.
Verla: Any last minute questions or comments by anyone? (Including our illustrious leader?)
GregF: Stereotyes. Don't use them.
MelLane: We never got questions!
Verla: The wicked stepmother...
whatie: how about monotyes?
Verla: You were allowed to ask questions at ANY time, mel. You know that!
GregF: Monotypes are fine.
GregF: Do we have questions?
Verla: Hey, what is a monotype?
MelLane: It was too interesting to interrupt!
MelLane: How could?
whatie: verla: I dunno :)
LadyPen: Yes, do we basically see three tries and eventual success? Or two tries and success on the third?
whatie: a single keystroke? :)
Guest0637: it's a type of guy with mono
Sisabelle: two tries, a change in the third, not necessarily success
Verla: two with success on the third is is what I do in my books
GregF: Verla: We've seen wicked stepmothers in stories. We've seen them so many times, in so many places, that they lose their humor value. But if you "explode the stereotype", you could have a very funny wicked stepmother.
Verla: like a wicked stepmother who can't do anything right?
GregF: Verla: That's a good example.
BigJohN_: The big, bad, wolf. Two adj. then a noun. Three concepts. :0)
GregF: Threes are everywhere if you look for them.
Verla: lol BJ
Guest0637: why do we only have an hour? why can't we go on all night?
whatie: yeah. why not THREE hours?
Verla: Greg...this was a GREAT workshop and we REALLY appreciate your time!
MelLane: I WISH
GregF: The first hour is here -- the next two hours are at Verla's house!
CharlesJ: This is the first workshop I've been able to stay through. very helpful stuff. thanks GregF and Verla.
MelLane: Mystery Guess, but alas, Verla allows ONE HOUR ONLY.
Verla whistles and stomps and squirts purple silly string all over Greg and EVERYONE in the room!
MelLane: Greg -- EXCELLENT workshop!!
deetie slaps GregF around a bit with a large trout
GregF: Thanks, guys. I had fun!
Verla: We are so glad you came, Charles!
GregF: More fun than boring copyright law, that's for sure.
Verla: No way, Greg!
LadyPen: Thany you, Greg
whatie: yay greg!
Sisabelle: Thanks Greg
deetie slaps Verla around a bit with a large trout
Windy2u: Thanks Greg..
Dani257 showers Gred with confetti
CharlesJ: Thanks Verla, this place gets better all the time!
Verla: Hey, you may have to REPEAT your "boring" copyright one, cause that is one of the workshops I LOST, Greg! SOB!
whatie: guest: type /nick betternick
Dani257 dances around trying to avoid Warroir Deetie and her Trout of Death
MelLane: That was NOT boring!
BigJohN_: Thanks GregF. Very nice workshop.
MelLane: I'd like to see it again.
MelLane: AND an additional one.
GregF: I didn't get to tell the joke about what you get when you cross an elephant with a rhino.
*** Guest0637 is now known as betternick
MelLane sprays Greg & Verla with purple silly string.
deetie slaps Dani257 around a bit with a large trout
whatie: yay betternick :)
*** Sisabelle is now known as StinkyStephen
whatie: greg: what?
deetie: Gopt ya, sisa.
GregF: Whatie: Elephino...
Verla: sure, guest...just type /NICK YOUR NEW NICK re...if you pick one that someone else has, it will change you back. But you can add a ^carat to the front of your name or a _slash or some numbers (like the 257 Dani is wearing, to make it "stick"
whatie: hee :)
betternick: thanks a lot whatie!
whatie: better: sure, any time *grin*
betternick: Thanks guys
*** betternick is now known as cookie
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